DDR X3 VS 2ndMIX (AC) (Japan)

More than likely go the way of IIDX...which I am not sure what you mean by that unless it goes along the lines of "We are keeping the rating system until we figure out a way to make it even MORE confusing than it already is"? Since we now have the "X" series, I highly doubt we will ever stray away from the 1 - 20 foot scale. I do believe though that somewhere along the lines Konami is going to be giving us "added" difficulties along with foot ratings, maybe like a "+" or "-" addition, let's say we have a mix that is a 15, but doesn't quite "feel" like a 15 rating. It will get a "15-", same goes for songs that feel higher than a 15, it gets a 15+ or something.

I just don't see it changing to a 1 - 30 rating like with how Pop N' music has it. Or it could happen, I'm not a Konamidaotor anyway :v

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pop'n music is 1-43 though, not 1-30.

Personally, I'd like to listen to a clear version of Tohoku EVOLVED to determine if it really needs a Challenge chart. From what I saw, the Heavy chart looked fine.

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We've reached a point where the difficulty really can't go any higher.
Well, unless some DDR in the future includes hands and EXTREEEEME BRACKETS!

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Valkyrie Dimension and most other recent BOSS songs would like a word with you....

Also pardon me, I have never played Pop N' until just recently so I really do not know the current ratings for it

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Quite why I said "if it needs a Challenge chart", I didn't like most of those bosses Challenge charts because I felt them forced at some/most parts.

(also the 1-43 pop'n scale has been for quite some years, so it is not a "current" thing )

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If Tohoku gets a chart, I can almost guarantee it'll be a shock arrow chart.

And personally, I'm pretty sure DDR doesn't need to get harder than VD . 18-19 charts are beyond healthy capacity as it is. Otherwise, you'll only end up with "Pluto The First (GROOVE RADAR SPECIAL)." I really don't think any of you want THAT.

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You never know. One day the team could get bored and say "eh.............why not?" lol. I believe 18-19 charts as they are now really push the boundaries. But, with that being said, it wouldn't surprise me if there is an even more difficult 19 than VDO or POSSESSION Doubles Oni lurking in the dark......but, i kinda hope to never see a 20. Just so we can all ask......"what if.........?"

Guys, this song is a homage to the Japan quake victims, you can rest assured that there'll be a challenge and it'll be catastrophic. I'm expecting it to be no less than 18, very likely to be the next 19. I think the song is special enough for that.

Also, lol @ that 17 rating, I mean, it makes Flower Challenge look like a 13...they really need to fix Flower's rating now.

If anyone didn't notice, on the CUT video, the chart has a stop at the last step, which probably not the actual last step in the original chart, and it speeds up to 680BPM (probably faster?) after the stop.

Probably the original chart has this last step that's also designed to screw people up.

Most probably either a jump or a non-4th step (most likely a jump).

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They can use a couple of complex patterns we've never seen used at 300 BPM

Or they can send an electric shock to the bar, whenever you hold onto it for more than 2 seconds.

I've never been a fan of this argument. As players get better, naturally charts will get harder. Previously, one could have argued that "Oh, you don't need anything past Paranoia Survivor Max . It's the upper limit as it is." DDR is nowhere near the absolute physical limit right now.

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DDR has never been about the absolute physical limit. Konami may acknowledge that subset of players with one or two overly complicated songs... But the remaining fifty or so are going to actually be fun.


A feature that's long overdue!

Is X's scale 1-20 ?

I mean, did Konami ever say the limit was 20?

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They have never officially given the new scale a cap.

I think indirectly it's capped at 20. If you make edits, difficulty caps at 20

And the way the difficulty is shown when you're choosing edit data on X2 & X3 caps the difficulty at 20.

Also, http://zenius-i-vanisher.com/v5.2/viewsimfile.php?simfileid=18721

I transcribed Tohoku EVOLVED. Still a WIP though. This will be finished as more videos pop up.

APPEND: I added the Double chart, following the 109 combo video.

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Haha, I'd like to see that happen. Or Konami could make charts like Mad Matt's Tachyon ITG stuff where the drills go so fast that they're unreadable and force you to flat-foot. (but that would probably make DDR no fun)
OR... they could just incorporate streams with tons of jumps in random places like FELM ; that was probably the hardest DDR pass for me so far

The thing is, there's only so much you can do with a singles chart to make it hard before it no longer receives replay value. Konami's goal is to get players to pump in more credits into the machine. Shocker, I know! Because of this, charts that are 17+ will probably always include gimmicks that make reading a chart difficult. Remember, there's 3 aspects to playing DDR: rhythm, movement and chart reading. As much as people will hate me for it, gimmicks with speed and pauses tests the reading skill. You may not want to have to memorize a section of a chart in order to just pass the song, that's fine, you don't have to play such songs. However, songs that are tricky in this nature are well received in Japan so we'll continue to see them and the hardest charts in the game will include them.

With that being said, charts that are 19+ in my opinion should really be reserved for doubles charts. Doubles charts can require movements that are incredible tough to pull off without high speed or crazy rhythms needing. A chart that's a 12 on singles can easily become a 13 or 14 based purely on the patterns without a change in rhythm. Hence why so many doubles versions of charts, even with the same rhythm, are a notch or two higher in difficulty rating.

At any rate, I'd rather see 10 to 20 11s and 12s than even 1 more 19 or 20.

I'd rather that's all they ever make.

I think Tohoku EVOLVED , if it has one, will be an 18. There are a lot of other songs that have the 17/18 thing going on where the steps are almost the exact same notes between the two difficulties, but the chart makes the patterns more complicated. I really don't see Tohoku becoming much harder than it already is, unless they pull a VD and put 8th notes at the 600+ BPM speedup in the middle.

About OST

Disc 1 has four empty spaces (would be for tokyo EVOLVED, Osaka EVOLVED, New York EVOLVED and London EVOLVED??)

Disc 2 (Tohoku EVOLVED?... but wait... there are 5 empty spaces there)

What if Tohoku has really more than 1 just version (al least 3) and the other 2 spaces correspond to another K.O.s (full versions?)
I doubt it. There's no evidence about the existence of more than just one Tohoku.

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