[AC] StepManiaX produced by Kyle Ward

Just gonna put here that I agree with Quickman. Now if you want to argue his point you can bring it up with me instead of using a cheap personal own as a defence.

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Why would I need to bring it up with you? I was pointing out that he probably wouldn't value the work of others because in the past year, he took some music and passed it off as his own, is that wrong of me to say?

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Ah, so you don't care about the content of what he says, you just want to dunk on him. Neat. If you want to keep building your pyre I'd suggest not doing it here. This thread is in the shit enough as it is, and the people in the SMX sphere who think that this place is a cesspit really don't need more ammo than they already do.

Anyway, are we done with this little tiff? Because I really don't want to see an entire three pages of he said, she said.

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I wouldn't say I'm dunking on somebody without the content of what they say, I'm disagreeing with their opinion about "homage" and presenting relatable facts on why I disagree with them.

If somebody had copied my artwork, whether it's for a fan made project, or something that they're selling, I'd be pretty pissed off.

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I don’t care. Stop doing it here.

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Remember when I was an attention whore, everybody? And I'd do anything to get people to speak approvingly of me? I was a cunt, and I probably still am a cunt who can't exist without the approval of others.

Now if we're done with the "let's go for the personal attack" episode of this soap that I just cut short, I still don't see the problem of homage graphics or stepcharts. It still seems to me that some people on this thread aren't here for anything but to say that everything in it is shit, and I don't care how many bullshit "you're just putting words in my mouth" responses it gets. The bottom line is this - they are doing what they were requested to do. HEAVILY requested. Welcome to how it feels to be somebody who doesn't actually care about the game but wants to pretend their voice matters. It's like me in the DDRA thread, innit?

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itt: people ignore the 80% of the content in SMX not coming from DDR and instead decide to complain when the developers offer throwbacks to appease us 30+ year olds who have memories of playing Dam Dariram on 3rd Mix in the mall food court arcade. which, i might add, is one of the target demographics of the game - the older crowd who has the expendable cash to invest in the game and pads to play at home. drop $2k on a setup and then you can complain about how offended you are that they revived a classic instead of adding yet another Monstercat license with some stupid meme attached (Neon FM, I'm looking at you, as good as you are).

sorry not everything is catered to your personal tastes, good thing there are like 200 other songs to pick from

you mf'ers will gladly accept another PARANOiA remix but re-charting So Deep with a different arrow layout? Looks like we crossed the line of what the fanboys deem acceptable and what isn't.

And of course let's just kindly ignore the fact that ya'll would seriously EAT UP these revivals if they showed back up on a DDR mix. but since it's another crew giving their spin on it i guess that means they are just lazily copying content, instead of, you know, appealing to the fans where Konami isn't.

smh people just love to complain when a free update to a game they never paid for, and hardly ever play, comes out

Actually imagine if DAM DARIRAM came back to DDR. Think of the fucking clout on the A20PLUS thread.

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You're correct! Most of the other 80% comes from In The Groove, Re-Rave, and Pump Pro/Infinity!


We haven't had another PARANOiA remix since X3 but okay, lmao. And how is that a fair comparison?


I'm going to argue that this is a bit of a strawman. I think people would like some revivals but would feel cheated if it was the majority of new content coming to A20. This is why people are reacting so viscerally to this -- the majority of new content in these updates is from old DDR games or previous Kyle Ward games. It would be like if every A20 update was 3 Dancemania revivals, the remaining originals from DanceManiaX that didn't get ported to DDR, and two Hinabitter songs, lmao. People would very much complain.

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MAJORITY?

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Are you willfully ignoring everything else I wrote?

Anyway I don't feel like arguing this right now but I will say that it's valid for people to armchair input this when a) even if they weren't on the original backing list, they may eventually play on an SMX cabinet themselves or be interested in owning a pad and b) SMX could potentially be competition to DDR in the future if the scene dies down here again. And since people on the side of SMX are acting with more hostility than the people with criticisms I'm not sure why those with criticisms are being painted as the bad guys here, especially since I've seen some really cogent arguments in this thread.

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I was ignoring most of your other points because they were either passive-aggressive bullshit or "YEAH BUT PEOPLE WHO PLAY THIS ONLY PLAY IT BC ITG AND PIU PRO" and what am I supposed to say to that?

You KNOW that this stuff isn't the majority. Neither of the updates or the game in general. Don't act like it is, come on dude.

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eataninja did you even play any of kward's other project games or are you just complaining about the recycling of music you hardly listened to, for the sake of complaining? foh, you're just taking up space for people who have actual, legitimate, opinions.

It's valid to say you think there are too many songs from prior DDR mixes. It isn't valid to say "ugh, this is just ripping DDR off" when the songs have been so highly requested for a return.

It also isn't valid to be so hypocritical about wanting the devs to listen to fan feedback while handily IGNORING the plain fact that fan feedback is the only reason the game has DDR songs in the first place. Everybody saying that there's too much DDR content are the same people who probably never even filled out the damn request form, and there's a reason for that - they never would've given a shit about the game in the first place. What good is the feedback of people who couldn't give a fuck about the game in the first place? Why are they supposed to care about the passive-aggressive "but I was just giving my opinioooon!" moanings of people who don't care anyway? There's LITERALLY no value in it.

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"YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO CATER TO THE FANS BUT NOT LIKE THAT" is basically what the complaints are. well, i guess you're not a fan then 🤷‍♂️ move along

It's not Kyle's fault Konami have been demanded to bring back fan favourites for so long and won't, so another company picks up their slack :^)

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i would probably be in the minority for saying this but this song has been revived like 3 times so i'd actually be slightly dissapointed if this song got revived instead of something like justify my love
anyways, i get that there are fans that want old songs back but these are probably the same people who comment why there isn't captain jack on a ddr disney's groove songlist video, still ig at the same time it is cute seeing older songs on a better engine with new cuts and all
the point other people were making is that the homages were teetering on blatantly copying the artwork 1:1, and said artwork is owned by Konami, Pink Dinosaur's SMX jacket is a good homage to the original while being unique within itself, WAKA LAKA is just a 1:1 remake, so yes, homages are ok, we never said any Dancemania revival in SMX had their SMX artwork copying DDR's, we're just saying quite a few do
the homages that end up like copies of what Konami is doing make the game feel like its relying too much of nostalgia, plus i think the revivals should be more spread out in updates, perhaps 2 revivals instead of the them taking up the bulk of the updates, it's like having tokimeki idol being the bulk of the updates in DDR A, so basically if ur gonna revive songs, don't make it the focus of the updates/game and pay homage to the original artwork in DDR without ending up copying it 1:1
I also do want mention the staff shouldn't retaliate and repeat the attitudes of their critics, just because someone was rude doesn't mean you should be rude back, that's like common sense

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It's what was most requested. It's what was most requested. It's what was most requested. I'll keep saying this until everybody actually understands it.

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Yes we get it quickie
but they could also handle those requests better imo
it's like saying tokimeki idol songs in ddr a were most requested (they probably were liked by japan so) and we all know we feel about that given how they treated those songs like they should be the only additions to the game for a while
also adding in requested songs don't mean making graphics that try to pay homage that end up being a copy

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