Post Your Controversial Bemani Opinions

Does arcade DDR still support edits? Old school mixes had PS1 memory card slots and I remember some sort of PC method of making edits for a flash drive for X. ITG has made it damn clear that this community fucking hates official charts and only wants to play customs and edits anyway, the minute we got R21 no one cared about the official charts that were supposedly so good for no other reason than being harder than anything in DDR at the time. So why should Konami try to make good hard charts? Make good easy charts and let the community make their edits to their hearts content. Konami could put a 24 out right now and people would either still complain it’s too easy or call the chart trash, so why bother?

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Edits haven't been a thing in arcade mixes since X2, unfortunately. They promised to bring edit support back after an event in 2019, but they've said fuck-all about it ever since.

Is it a controversial opinion that I think Konami legitimately makes good charts 90-95% of the time?


FWIW that's not what I was implying; I was just explaining why I think people choose that song specifically as their first ESP FC. It gives them a sense of accomplishment that FCing an 8 doesn't. Of course any first FC/PFC/MFC should be celebrated, since it's a huge accomplishment.

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This. This right here.

The only thing worse is when a new song with an expert 14 drops and people go "can't wait for the challenge chart" or "where's the challenge chart." Like come on it could be a fun 14 and not everything needs to be stamina intensive or fast or tricky to be fun.

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i agree, but i also fucking hate it when a chart that easily could've been a gets turned into a for... no real good reason, imo. just feels like it's setting up for failure down the line.

i'm looking right the fuck at you, Evans.

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same but with 未完成ノ蒸氣驅動乙女 (DDR Edition)

I felt this way with Yuni's Nocturnal Days because the song is clearly asking for something harder but they got the intern to do a chart in 15 minutes instead after listening to the song once and it only seems to realize that charts can follow rhythms that aren't just 8ths in like, the last 20% of the chart. Of course I want a Challenge chart to a great song with a dull Expert one.

Shiny World was an example of a song that I loved but was totally content with the Expert chart of, I still don't know why they ever gave that a Challenge.

But, uh, the "it wouldn't kill you to at least try to enjoy something easier than you usually do" argument is about as valid as "it wouldn't kill you to at least try to get better or just play the Difficult chart".

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playing on easier difficulties is not what i constitute as fun as i've played for long enough and advanced my skills long enough that i should be finding ways to push and challenge myself. actively going against that for some weirdly conceived idea of "fun" might be dope for y'all but... my idea of fun is seeing what i can do and seeing how i can go beyond.

also ddr str!ke is only enjoyable when you've had supernova jp unlock everything in it for you

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I actually want to see Ultimate Mobile Dance Dance Revolution release

I’ve been playing these games for 20 years and never considered a chart unfun because it was easy. Bad charts are bad, but easy does not mean bad. I never needed every chart to be blistering hard and I’ll play Naoki Neo Standard over Dead End Groove Radar Special any day.

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I'm referring more to the specific kind of elitism that writes off songs entirely for not having a chart above a 15. And this isn't some strawman I'm just coming up with for the sake of argument, I distinctly remember seeing some dislike for Yuni's Nocturnal Days be leveled not at the quality of the chart but instead at just the fact that it's a 14.

I get that DDR is a game that people tend to play for the sake of improving scores and clearing harder stuff over time, and I'm also not saying that all harder charts are bad. It's just this specific mindset is one that really annoys me, because it comes off as very close-minded.

People seem to forget that they still need to have accessible charts for newcomers. Not everything is catered towards the people who've been playing the game for 10+ years.

If anyone gives me the whole "they can just play difficult" argument, remember how you first felt to clear a chart on "Expert" difficulty. Eventually players realize difficulty name doesn't matter, but to new players, these names do.

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The only true way to fix DDR's current scale is to reinvent a new one and rate everything in the game from scratch.

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i just want good charts on the difficulty i normally play on

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I mean, it makes sense that some people would be underwhelmed by the difficulty itself with certain songs. Imagine if they made MAX 360 or Endymion just a 15 and left it at that.

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This 100%. I don’t think that’s too much to ask for haha!

This 100%.

I've tried to do this before but it's a massive undertaking; basically, I would like DDR's scale to more closely resemble Pump It Up, with 1-7ish resembling the old scale and then the scale becoming more granular from there. The X-scale caused more problems than it solved IMO.

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I get that. I don’t have a difficulty I normally play on though and I find a lot of good charts because of it. It’s something I got into back in the Extreme days from playing Oni courses.

I get this argument to an extent, and it’s why the old names were better. Standard for the medium difficulty implies it’s the normal way to play and you shouldn’t feel bad about it. IIDX also did this better with Normal difficulty. That’s why I said before that we need to normalize playing on easier difficulties. Yeah, it feels good and it’s an accomplishment to pass harder songs, but you aren’t entitled to it either. If Dark Souls can not have multiple difficulties at all and that’s perfectly fine because you aren’t entitled to beating Dark Souls then it’s okay for individual rhythm game songs to follow this logic as well, and if you can only pass 12s then play the boss songs on the closest difficulty to that while you’re still getting better.

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Controversial Opinion.

People spouting nonsense about using "old" outdated charting methods from the early 2000s, whilst using "old" outdated charting methods from early 2000 Keyboard Megapacks are idiots. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Isn't keyboard charting at this point just filling the screen with 64ths or something

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