Post #381 · Posted at 2020-07-25 06:41:43am 4.9 years ago
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If they really wanted to fill a niche with Stepmania-X, maybe they should follow up with some more affordable options like how Konami used to release versions of DDR for game consoles? Or are they not allowed to do that in the same way they aren't allowed to sell to major arcade chains?
Something is in the works.
Post #382 · Posted at 2020-07-25 06:42:05am 4.9 years ago
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not the same users but ok, those who have been requesting old songs are people who whine that so deep is literally not in every ddr game ever under the comment section of a ddr songlist video, those who are giving feedback here are those who moved on from DDR and have been making their own content on SM to fulfill their own wishes
Post #383 · Posted at 2020-07-25 06:43:29am 4.9 years ago
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yes random we literally saw that the first time you posted it
Post #384 · Posted at 2020-07-25 06:44:50am 4.9 years ago
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yes random we literally saw that the first time you posted it
too bad other people on the thread didn't judging by their responses
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I obviously don't really mean everyone (notallZIVusers)
I've literally only seen SMX drama on this forum. It really seems like y'all won't be satisfied either way. StepManiaX is obviously trying to fill a niche that YOU (Western DDR players who are madly in love pre-Supernova era stuff) created. But now that they've done it, suddenly y'all don't want it???
I really don't know what's up with the 16 year old tryhards on this site
I've literally only seen SMX drama on this forum. It really seems like y'all won't be satisfied either way. StepManiaX is obviously trying to fill a niche that YOU (Western DDR players who are madly in love pre-Supernova era stuff) created. But now that they've done it, suddenly y'all don't want it???
I really don't know what's up with the 16 year old tryhards on this site
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And I can definitely agree with that. The devs for StepManiaX know their core audience and are doing something to bring more people in who want those old songs knowing that there's no way in hell that they're being added back to mainline DDR. It's pretty disappointing to see that some people just think that it's an act of desperation when really it's just paying homage to one of the games that inspired multiple things in the rhythm game community
Post #385 · Posted at 2020-07-25 06:45:14am 4.9 years ago
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yes random we literally saw that the first time you posted it
too bad other people on the thread didn't judging by their responses
Post #386 · Posted at 2020-07-25 07:03:40am 4.9 years ago
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The amount of money spent to properly license these tracks is insane, and a lot of people also don't see the work that Kyle goes into to work directly with the artists to get their music licenses, re-mastered, and legally published outside of Japan, many for the the first time ever or legally within the last few decades. For example, So Deep wasn't legally available ever within the United States, let alone in any other games for the past 18 years. We went through the effort working with the artists and labels directly to bring them back for the audiences that want them.
I don't get this. If it was so expensive, why would you burn that money on revivals of all things? I get that they're popular songs to a certain subset of people, but it's not 2001 anymore, and revivals don't give a game an identity. I know 3 things about SMX:
1. The rating system is weird
2. The songlist is a combination of ReRave, DDR, and ITG
3. You buy the pad to play stepmania and cover up the center
If a portion of the sales is really going to licensing, why wouldn't you work on building your own identity? How many songs by up and coming or in house artists could you get get for the price of one of those expensive songs? Look at what Rayark has been doing for the last few years.
I think the update is cool, but I'm not sure if I'd play it over stepmania if I had a pad. I just don't think I should be coming away saying "Oh, SMX is just a pad." That's all.
Post #387 · Posted at 2020-07-25 09:35:47am 4.9 years ago
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I don't have a particular stake in the game regarding SMX, but SWEET FUCKING JESUS what the hell is going on with you all. I don't know much about behind the scenes here and frankly I don't want to, right, but from the way I'm seeing it here most of you here are either kneejerking or trying to bait. Can we all take a moment to breathe when this gets picked up again, yeah? 2020's enough of a mountain of shit as it is.
Post #388 · Posted at 2020-07-25 09:39:11am 4.9 years ago
I was going to quote the comment about hypocrisy, but I feel that Rock Disband said everything needed regarding my fan made project being nothing more than a fan made project, made to look like Dancing Stage and Dance Dance Revolution (If I can be bothered to finish it)
As for the songs themselves, I don't have an issue with them being in SMX, the thing that gets me is that SMX is not a DDR game, and SMX is not a fan made project, but then we're seeing the flat outline characters with no detail similar to R&P (I think yours looks better btw) and the Silvertear logo is copied to a T, the arrangement of letters for Flash In The Night is the same, your version of Never Gonna Make also has a woman standing in front of a spotlight, and you've done the same motion blue on the title, then Waka Laka's text is orange, with the same brown shaow and white outline (kudos for putting the correct subtitle) then Moving On has the same red gradient.
You can say referencing if that's how you feel about it, the way I feel about it is that most of it is copied, Typical Tropical looks nice, I personally don't think it looks the same.
As for the songs themselves, I don't have an issue with them being in SMX, the thing that gets me is that SMX is not a DDR game, and SMX is not a fan made project, but then we're seeing the flat outline characters with no detail similar to R&P (I think yours looks better btw) and the Silvertear logo is copied to a T, the arrangement of letters for Flash In The Night is the same, your version of Never Gonna Make also has a woman standing in front of a spotlight, and you've done the same motion blue on the title, then Waka Laka's text is orange, with the same brown shaow and white outline (kudos for putting the correct subtitle) then Moving On has the same red gradient.
You can say referencing if that's how you feel about it, the way I feel about it is that most of it is copied, Typical Tropical looks nice, I personally don't think it looks the same.
Post #389 · Posted at 2020-07-25 11:53:03am 4.9 years ago
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I would get frustrated too if I listened to fan feedback and got calls for old DDR songs, put old DDR songs in the game because fans asked for them, and then a bunch of people who probably never even filled out the fucking form decided everybody who called for old DDR songs is wrong and they're right. I'd also get pissed off if a bunch of people kept going "HAHA STEPMANIA FANPACK" and then went "wow... someone with no followers is tweeting about us... how rude are the developers..." Fuck outta here, man.
Post #390 · Posted at 2020-07-25 12:02:54pm 4.9 years ago
I really don't see the issue with pointing out that the charts are similar when they are -- Chewi didn't even give every example in the video. Bye Bye Baby Balloon Wild is similar to the original Heavy chart, Dam Dariram has similarities to both its original Standard and Heavy charts, Music and Police sounds almost identical to the original, to the point that a rename just feels silly, and Stay has a similar chart to the original Heavy. I get that the criticism was a bit sarcastic, but it's valid criticism.
The issue is that people want these songs in DDR with their original cuts/charts revived, not in another game. Or they want something like the Legend Licenses in A20, where the songs sound distinctly new and have mostly original charts.
I literally lurked here for years after I stopped being able to play DDR because this place has such entertaining drama, lmao.
(Although I agree that from what I've seen all rhythm gaming communities have some toxicity, I'm getting into etterna right now and I see it there, I know the osu! community is toxic, and I know the ITG community is just a different shade of what happens in the DDR community).
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Guys, run. Despite the fact that the music choices are heavily influenced by fan demands, every post from here will be telling you how you're just ripping off DDR. Despite the fact that they all scream for these songs to be revived in DDR itself, they get really fucking feral when it comes to another game. Run. RUN. THEY'VE ALREADY GOT ME, RUN FOR YOUR LIVES
The issue is that people want these songs in DDR with their original cuts/charts revived, not in another game. Or they want something like the Legend Licenses in A20, where the songs sound distinctly new and have mostly original charts.
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Zenius is far from a toxic place, all things considered. There's some bad apples, and you got your shitposters, but this is the case with every single forum or group on the internet unfortunately. This is one of the tamer places I've come across in terms of Bemani fandom. I do agree at times things can get rough or rude, but toxic? I've seen toxic. I've lived it. This ain't it.
I literally lurked here for years after I stopped being able to play DDR because this place has such entertaining drama, lmao.
(Although I agree that from what I've seen all rhythm gaming communities have some toxicity, I'm getting into etterna right now and I see it there, I know the osu! community is toxic, and I know the ITG community is just a different shade of what happens in the DDR community).
Post #391 · Posted at 2020-07-25 12:09:43pm 4.9 years ago
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I will actually say here I presume Music & Police's rename and re-edit may be due to some weird copyright or something? I can't imagine if there was no legal issues they wouldn't have kept it the same like the other songs they've imported from DDR.
Post #392 · Posted at 2020-07-25 12:55:54pm 4.9 years ago
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Also, until the ZIv mods have their own sexual abuse scandal (and there’s nae fuckin’ way that’s happening) we sure as fuck ain’t as toxic as other parts of the MGC.
Post #393 · Posted at 2020-07-25 12:58:57pm 4.9 years ago
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Post #394 · Posted at 2020-07-25 01:02:49pm 4.9 years ago
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Also, until the ZIv mods have their own sexual abuse scandal (and there’s nae fuckin’ way that’s happening) we sure as fuck ain’t as toxic as other parts of the MGC.
Fair point. Not tryna compare you all to Fungah! lol.
I respect the fact that people here pull no punches when calling people out on their bullshit, it's refreshing to see sometimes. This thread being a case in point.
Post #395 · Posted at 2020-07-25 01:07:52pm 4.9 years ago
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I really don't see the issue with pointing out that the charts are similar when they are -- Chewi didn't even give every example in the video. Bye Bye Baby Balloon Wild is similar to the original Heavy chart, Dam Dariram has similarities to both its original Standard and Heavy charts, Music and Police sounds almost identical to the original, to the point that a rename just feels silly, and Stay has a similar chart to the original Heavy. I get that the criticism was a bit sarcastic, but it's valid criticism.
I don't know if I'm just using [CRAZY TALK] but it seems that since the graphics are meant to be homages, the charts probably are too. Thus I don't really see any issue.
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The issue is that people want these songs in DDR with their original cuts/charts revived, not in another game. Or they want something like the Legend Licenses in A20, where the songs sound distinctly new and have mostly original charts.
Basically, Konami sucks and they have to take it out on other games.
Post #396 · Posted at 2020-07-25 01:20:19pm 4.9 years ago
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I respect the fact that people here pull no punches when calling people out on their bullshit, it's refreshing to see sometimes. This thread being a case in point.
Yeah, people don't like being called out :/ I can respect homage or a fun reference here or there, but when you've copied an artist logo to the T, nothing different about it, when it looks like it has just been cut out, copied, and pasted... then it's not really homage or reference is it? then people go whining to twitter, and you have other people commenting saying about royalty free fonts, like there's no other font they could have used, other than the ones used in DDR, right down to the arrangement.Quote: Quickman
I don't know if I'm just using [CRAZY TALK] but it seems that since the graphics are meant to be homages, the charts probably are too. Thus I don't really see any issue.
No offense, but I'd take your opinion more seriously, had you not taken a couple of drum'n bass tracks, sped them up, and released them for DDR XX as original music.Post #397 · Posted at 2020-07-25 01:23:17pm 4.9 years ago
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My point would be valid no matter if Satan himself came up and said it.
Post #398 · Posted at 2020-07-25 01:28:54pm 4.9 years ago
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My point would be valid no matter if Satan himself came up and said it.
Of course you'd think that, you took somebodies music and passed it off as your own, so you're not going to be bothered if somebody copies artwork and passes it off as "homage" are you? :/Post #399 · Posted at 2020-07-25 01:31:23pm 4.9 years ago
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Lemme sob out a couple hundred dollar bills for a company that couldn't give less of a shit for being """stolen""" from in the form of people who are honest fans of them officially licensing the music of some of their games and then being like "hey let's reference where we remember this stuff from". Honestly, I'm so sad for Konami. They must be heartbroken.
Post #400 · Posted at 2020-07-25 01:40:29pm 4.9 years ago
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