OH GOD DAMN IT ACTIVISION (Dance Hero)

I will not pay for crap like this.

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I can't figure out whether to give you +5 or -5 for that comment.

I don't like getting rude awakenings, but I'm glad you gave that statement. Frankly, I didn't care whether or not Dance Hero was going to be full-fledged but you did happen put everything in perspective.

With a bunch of expletives.

So... +5. Too bad I +5'ed you a while back so I can't do anything about your current rating drop unfortunately.

I'm thinking that if this does get off the ground, Activision might hire Kyle Ward + group to make songs and we'll see an ITG revival under a different name. Sounds like a good thing.

Then again, Dance Hero might be just ITG-styled with "mainstream" songs and I can't tell if that's a good thing or not.

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Dance Hero.










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Haha, keep dreaming. If GH is any indication, it'll be mostly be almost 100% licensed popular songs. And I would REALLY be surprised if Activision even consulted the dance game community regarding the game or hired anyone from the community for step making.

Honestly, with how much I dislike GH compared to GF/DM, and with how absolutely STUPID DJ Hero looks (The notes come circling on a record?...three keys? GH-like controls?) I have little to no hope for Dance Hero if it ever comes out.

Here's a new idea! It's called Finger Hero, where there's 16 square buttons that you tap to the beat to. ripping off Jubeat/Ubeat

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fix'd

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I for one cant wait for pop'n hero

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people need to get out of the mind-set that konami is god. two companies have proven that they can do two types of rhythm game better. guitar hero trumps guitar freaks in every way. ITG trumps DDR in everyway(except for music. but it runs on a much more solid engine, has better step charts, and is actually capable of being hard without being over done and sloppy). konami's games are still good, but when companies prove that they can do it better and people spit in the face of that company because konami did it first, its just dumb.

besides, i can live with the ratings drop. it doesnt effect me in any way that someone on the internet doesnt like that i called them out on being retarded. i've also always been the type to speak my mind. people can live with it, or eat a cock. it doesnt matter if its on the internet, at work(job security FTW here), the arcade, or wherever.

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What I can't stand is when people dismiss others who don't share their opinion as "retarded". It is my opinion that DDR trumps ITG so Roxor didn't really prove anything to me but thats beside the point.

The way I see it, in the video game industry it's pretty scumbagish to take another company's concept of a video game, tweak it a tiny bit, then sell it as their own. It's like if an author were to take the book Moby Dick, change a few sentences here and there, and then sell the result as their own book and think they deserve all the money they make off of it because they think it's "better". In my opinion, no, companies like Roxor and Activision should not be praised because their genius ideas, and yes, Konami does deserve to be recognized because they did make it first. As far as music games go, Konami pretty came up with all the ideas so people tend to side with them.

Well DDR is already mainstream, people wouldn't think its a ripoff

You never know. The world seems to grow dumber everyday, so there will probably be some stupids out there to think that.

BAKA LOLZ!!!!!
too creepy~


What? Ripoff???

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I can't believe they did it...

Activison rips from Bemani too much..... but it's interesting to see how thing turns out later though...

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Oh, what a game.

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first of all, i'm stating facts about the situation. facts arent opinion because opinions cant be wrong. a fact is "we know nothing of this game, we cant possibly know its a rip off". most of them actually share my opinion about DDR being the better game and more fun to play, so i didnt say they are retarded because they disagree with my opinion, because they actually agree with it. i'm saying they're retarded because they are ignoring facts to bash a company that has copyrighted a new name.

ITG's engine is better than DDR's. this is a fact. you dont have to like everything about ITG, even i said that DDR has better music. ITG's step charts and engine are better than konami's. there is no shades of grey BS in ITG. there is no PRO BS in ITG. the easy songs are still put together in a way that you can enjoy them, and the hard charts are hard because they actually are, not because there are a ton of tempo changes and stops, with jumps placed everywhere they dont need to be. ITG supports real triplets, and while DDR is making them better, they still arent real triplets. ITG has more mods that people want, and keep requesting for DDR yet konami ignores the fans(like X2.5 and X4). konami's idea of new mods is a note skin that looks like a foot, and making mods they've had forever playable now. dont get me wrong, i would rather play DDR than ITG(music selection mostly), but ITG is a superior game when it comes to the engine and game development.

and your analogy with video games and books is invalid. it always seems like when i make points, people try and ignore them, so read my posts again. a much better analogy with books would be like sonic and mario. nintendo made a 2d side scroller and it went over good, so sega made one too. to compare that to books. person X writes a book about pirates and people like it, so person Y writes a book about pirates as well. konami made a dancing game and its a huge hit, andamiro and roxor followed suit and people like those games as well. now activision is making a game of their own, we dont even know if it will use the 4 cardinal directions like DDR, how the notes will scroll(we dont even know that they are arrows), what kinds of modifiers will be in the game, if it will feature music cuts or full songs, if there will be timing windows, what the controller will be like, etc. there are too many unknowns to say that they are ripping off konami by making a dance game. if making a dance game makes you a rip off, then the people that made britney's dance beat, despite making a completely original engine and way to play it, are rip offs as well.

you people may not like activision, but jumping out and calling them a rip off for doing nothing more than copyrighting a name is just dumb.

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Can we have a thread that doesn't turn into ITG vs. DDR?

It was asking for it, though.

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You make a good point, but a dancing game that uses arrows scolling into a step zone, BPM changes, freeze arrows, a songwheel interface, and speed mods is a bit more clearly defined as a certain game than a 2D side scroller. ITG and GH/Rock Band don't just belong to the same genre of the games they borrowed from like Mario/Sonic, they're direct copies, right down to the games gameplay and interface with minor additions, so I think my book analogy still stands. For example, they all took the idea of "hit the notes when they reach the zone" idea instead of coming up with a new one. ITG direct took the idea of freeze arrows and BPM changes and such, plus the songwheel interface is the exact same. Guitar Hero, though the graphics are better, has the same gameplay style and uses the "tilt the guitar" idea, though they did change the point in which you're supposed to do so. Rock Band simply takes GH/GF, Drummania, Karaoke Revolution, and puts them together. I'm saying these companies shouldn't expect to do this and expect to make money without getting involved in a lawsuit here and there.

Anyway, based on Guitar Hero and the DJ Hero controller, I don't think Activision deserves the benefit of the doubt that Dance Hero won't be a copy of DDR under a different name.

And Phase, not to mention made the first Karaoke Revolution for Konami... Heck, Harmonix has proven about as original with their music games as Konami.

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Those additions may seem minor to you, but they are what makes ITG more playable than DDR. Thus, I play the one that was meant to be played without having to memorize every step in every chart to get a decent score.

And I agree with n00b_saib0t. You're all overreacting way too much to this. Activision is simply protecting the status their actual Hero games have by making sure that nobody else can release a game called "Dance Hero" that makes the other hero games look bad. They probably have no intention of making such a game themselves. Calm down for a moment, and use some rational thought.

In fact, I agree with n00b_saib0t on every point of his. Konami made something that looks cool. Roxor made something similar that's playable. Konami does whatever they please, occasionally using suggestions from fans. Roxor put out an engine that allows people to put in whatever options, mods, noteskins, charts, themes they please, if they have the arcade owner's permission. Konami did something, and Roxor did it better, but they didn't cover their asses, so they got sued. Konami will continue to put out whatever crap they come up with, with no competing company to force them to actually make a better game. However much you may love Konami, you should face the reality that companies with no competition drop the quality of their product as soon as they think they can.
In my view, Konami is already starting to drop quality with the announcers they put in HP, X, and HP 2. If they were actually going for a high quality product, you'd be able to truly turn them off permanently, not just during the songs. I could go on and on listing things that show Konami isn't trying to make something as playable as ITG is.

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