DanceDanceRevolution X (PS2) (North America)

Damn the pointless and confusing decimals.

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Quote: ddr_ray
Quote: e-s-g But yeah, MGS4 is really the only reason why someone would buy one, like you said FELMDemon Hell ya~! XD

Really? I'm not buying either for GTA4 (personally I find it to be the most overrated series ever, and I found the original GTA I had on PC to be more fun than when I tried GTA3, but that's a discussion for another topic) or MGS4, though I don't like either of those games. I even doubt DDR moving from the PS2 to the PS3 would even sway me into buying one to be honest.

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Quote: Kynayo

Quote: Xavious Quote: KKiONI well it's on the plus side for me because i don't have any intentions of getting a PS3 just for DDR. just hope the statement is 100% true. Konami better not change their mind and move on to PS3! Meh, you watch, it'll be just like Guitar Hero. Konami will do it on the PS3 with loads of DLC support and suddenly the community will ridicule the 'inferior' PS2 version for only having a measly 70 songs. Seems like DLC makes or breaks most music and rhythm games these days. This forum is the only place I'd expect to still talk sense, although it's positive that I'm not the only one who thinks that DDR doesn't really need to go fully next-gen. I can near guarantee that Konami won't use a 25GB blue ray disc to it's full capacity. I bet we will see ~70 song mixes no matter what format it's on. Oh, unless you love TEH GRAPHIX!!111 XD If they make it like with onle 70 songs on the PS2, then they should put more songs on online play, that if you play them, you get them in your song list to play in everyday use. That would be awesome.

ya i'd like some more songs! seriously, like 72 songs where about half or more which is completely boring and garbage! The japanese version of Extreme had 111 songs! and that still didn't completely fill up the disk! then we have to think of Dual layer DVDs. Those can hold about twice as much! did Konami ever consider the idea? i bet it's a NO. If they did I bet it would be possible to have more than 200 songs PLUS enhanced graphics (example more characters). You know what I think I'll e-mail Konami to consider that idea. Hey, maybe if everyone sent a e-mail to Konami about putting DDR X or at least the next DDR on a dual layer DVD, then maybe they might consider it!

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Quote: KKiONI

Quote: Kynayo Quote: Xavious Quote: KKiONI well it's on the plus side for me because i don't have any intentions of getting a PS3 just for DDR. just hope the statement is 100% true. Konami better not change their mind and move on to PS3! Meh, you watch, it'll be just like Guitar Hero. Konami will do it on the PS3 with loads of DLC support and suddenly the community will ridicule the 'inferior' PS2 version for only having a measly 70 songs. Seems like DLC makes or breaks most music and rhythm games these days. This forum is the only place I'd expect to still talk sense, although it's positive that I'm not the only one who thinks that DDR doesn't really need to go fully next-gen. I can near guarantee that Konami won't use a 25GB blue ray disc to it's full capacity. I bet we will see ~70 song mixes no matter what format it's on. Oh, unless you love TEH GRAPHIX!!111 XD If they make it like with onle 70 songs on the PS2, then they should put more songs on online play, that if you play them, you get them in your song list to play in everyday use. That would be awesome. ya i'd like some more songs! seriously, like 72 songs where about half or more which is completely boring and garbage! The japanese version of Extreme had 111 songs! and that still didn't completely fill up the disk! then we have to think of Dual layer DVDs. Those can hold about twice as much! did Konami ever consider the idea? i bet it's a NO. If they did I bet it would be possible to have more than 200 songs PLUS enhanced graphics (example more characters). You know what I think I'll e-mail Konami to consider that idea. Hey, maybe if everyone sent a e-mail to Konami about putting DDR X or at least the next DDR on a dual layer DVD, then maybe they might consider it!

Hey, could you give me konami's e-mail address or whatever? I've wanted to figure out what it was for a couple of weeks now, but never really found it... or got around to looking for it

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I consider that 70 songs are not enough to celebrate the DDR anniversary, too.

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Has anyone actually played EXTREME JP? 111 songs sounds nice in theory, but it it seriously verging on too many songs. The selection is overwhelming, especially when playing with others. The ~80 song range is good.

Yes, KONAMI is well aware of how much data DVD's can hold. It is not a good business model to fill the entire DVD with music. Hell, where will they get the songs? There's only so many times you can play AM-3P before you get sick of it. It's hard enough to come up with ~60 new songs for a mix. ~80 is a perfect range, allowing for all new content and some choice revivals, like beatmaniaIIDX, which I find has a great balance.

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Quote: Arctic Wolves
There's only so many times you can play AM-3P before you get sick of it.

This statement is a duality, as it can be used to attack not having many songs as well.

I'm sick of playing this song, I wish there were more.

The best choice is as many songs as possible, really.

I dunno, I've got ~3700 simfiles for stepmania, but I've probably only played 1/3 of them. Really, I don't know what to pick, so I just keep going back to stuff I know.

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Quote: KKiONI

Quote: Kynayo Quote: Xavious Quote: KKiONI well it's on the plus side for me because i don't have any intentions of getting a PS3 just for DDR. just hope the statement is 100% true. Konami better not change their mind and move on to PS3! Meh, you watch, it'll be just like Guitar Hero. Konami will do it on the PS3 with loads of DLC support and suddenly the community will ridicule the 'inferior' PS2 version for only having a measly 70 songs. Seems like DLC makes or breaks most music and rhythm games these days. This forum is the only place I'd expect to still talk sense, although it's positive that I'm not the only one who thinks that DDR doesn't really need to go fully next-gen. I can near guarantee that Konami won't use a 25GB blue ray disc to it's full capacity. I bet we will see ~70 song mixes no matter what format it's on. Oh, unless you love TEH GRAPHIX!!111 XD If they make it like with onle 70 songs on the PS2, then they should put more songs on online play, that if you play them, you get them in your song list to play in everyday use. That would be awesome. ya i'd like some more songs! seriously, like 72 songs where about half or more which is completely boring and garbage! The japanese version of Extreme had 111 songs! and that still didn't completely fill up the disk! then we have to think of Dual layer DVDs. Those can hold about twice as much! did Konami ever consider the idea? i bet it's a NO. If they did I bet it would be possible to have more than 200 songs PLUS enhanced graphics (example more characters). You know what I think I'll e-mail Konami to consider that idea. Hey, maybe if everyone sent a e-mail to Konami about putting DDR X or at least the next DDR on a dual layer DVD, then maybe they might consider it!

Ugh... Dual-layer discs... Do you know how hard it was to play Brawl when it first came out? A bunch of people had to send their Wiis to Nintendo so they could clean the lenses. With a dual-layer DVD, it would cause more problems, since a five year old PS2 lens is much dirtier than a few month old Wii lens. (I'm approximating the time average that people have these consoles.) But still, I'm all for at least a hundred songs, since we lose about ten every mix when it jumps the pond.
But please, no repeats. It was too dreadful when I heard Facination Maxx again for the second time in a row.

For repeats, I do what EX2 did and only had around 5 repeated songs, and at less there was remixes to unlock for the songs.;)

DDRX will get Senses.

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...along with a remix that's worse to the ears!

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Senses (LET THEM MOVE Screeching-Your-Ears-'til-They-Bleed-Mix)? XD

I was thinking...

SENSES (D00msDayH4x0rz Mix)

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10

But yeah, I wouldn't mind if we get Senses. The sooner we get it, the better.

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Ugh... Dual-layer discs... Do you know how hard it was to play Brawl when it first came out? A bunch of people had to send their Wiis to Nintendo so they could clean the lenses. With a dual-layer DVD, it would cause more problems, since a five year old PS2 lens is much dirtier than a few month old Wii lens. (I'm approximating the time average that people have these consoles.) But still, I'm all for at least a hundred songs, since we lose about ten every mix when it jumps the pond.

It's not because the lens is dirty. It's a nice cover story for hardware failings that plague the initial run. I've never heard of any PS2's having difficulty playing dual-layer DVDs.

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Want to make more than 100 songs? Simple. Just don't make any modes that required more space that make total amount of songlist reduced. Just do again like DDR Extreme Japan. I dunno, what feature can make 111 songs fit on 1 DVD. Notice, all video on DDR Extreme actually much like other songs.

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DDREX JP is barely larger than 1GB in size... It's not like Konami has any shortage of space on a DVD

Quote: Arctic Wolves

Ugh... Dual-layer discs... Do you know how hard it was to play Brawl when it first came out? A bunch of people had to send their Wiis to Nintendo so they could clean the lenses. With a dual-layer DVD, it would cause more problems, since a five year old PS2 lens is much dirtier than a few month old Wii lens. (I'm approximating the time average that people have these consoles.) But still, I'm all for at least a hundred songs, since we lose about ten every mix when it jumps the pond. It's not because the lens is dirty. It's a nice cover story for hardware failings that plague the initial run. I've never heard of any PS2's having difficulty playing dual-layer DVDs.

PlayStation 2s, even old ones had little or no problem with DL DVD, I worked at a GameStop twice, and an EB Games twice. I was surprised to learn that entire series of PlayStation 2s would after only months of use fail to read CD-ROM PS2 games. Not PSX games, PS2 games. Turn all your PS2 games over, if they have a glossy blue surface they're CDs. Not a lot of PS2 games were released on CDs but a good amount were (Example: Dance Dance Revolution Party Collection).

I agree that the Wiis that had worse, underlying problems and that Nintendo wouldn't dare enact a multi-million system recall over one game, but there's nothing wrong with dual layer discs, nothing that I've heard plaguing entire systems due to just being dual layer.

As for the amount of songs that make a solid mix, Konamix was the best US release to me until DDRMAX2, and I believe it had 65 songs after you unlocked everything. The 70 mark is a good mark even if you have room for 200, you can't throw all your eggs in one basket, especially if you have to pay each time you use certain licensed eggs. And most people are unaware of how much work goes into creating a completely new song in-house, Hottest Party was a huge milestone for the DDR series having 70 completely new, completely exclusive songs all made in-house (even if a lot of them were remixes). 70 is fine, 80 is spectacular, any more than that and you've wasted good content that could be saved for the next impending release, and keep it from sucking too hard.

Aeron

Quote: limewirelord
DDREX JP is barely larger than 1GB in size... It's not like Konami has any shortage of space on a DVD

That was largely due to the fact that the arcade version was compressed onto a CD-ROM. They just reused all that optimized content save for some of the artwork that had to be compressed a little too much for the arcade mix to get it all inside 750 MB. The 1GB mark was probably the fault of the few new songs that didn't need to be smashed to hell to fit storage limitations.

Quote: MarsPhoenix
Quote: Arctic Wolves There's only so many times you can play AM-3P before you get sick of it. This statement is a duality, as it can be used to attack not having many songs as well.

Absolutely. Do you know how many games were released in DDR's older days and how often all of the 1st/2nd/3rd Mix would appear on DDR? That's, I dunno, 10 games that each choose from a pool of less than 100 songs. You don't need to do the math to realize the kind of repetition this is.

Quote: Kyzentun
I dunno, I've got ~3700 simfiles for stepmania, but I've probably only played 1/3 of them. Really, I don't know what to pick, so I just keep going back to stuff I know.

LOL, I'm the same way (although I only have 1500 songs). I play about 50 songs per sessions, and I guess 200 among 5 sessions. I have about 50 songs that have never been played and a couple hundred more that haven't been touched on recently.

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...I read up on wikipedia about this year's E3 Media and Business Summit and Konami was on the list to appear at the summit this year...who knows? we might get to see a possible initial songlist or some other cool little "extras". idk but i'm keeping my eye on this year's E3 >_>

EDIT: of course, they will have a big reception on MGS4...so i really wouldn't get my hopes up if they release any new info on DDR X and the other games...but hey? who knows?

Quote: Kyzentun
I dunno, I've got ~3700 simfiles for stepmania, but I've probably only played 1/3 of them. Really, I don't know what to pick, so I just keep going back to stuff I know.

Yea i sorta have the same thing too, only i got around 500 songs and i only play around 20-30 songs...depending on the day i might choose new songs or i might just stick with my usual routine of songs =/

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Quote: Arctic Wolves
Has anyone actually played EXTREME JP? 111 songs sounds nice in theory, but it it seriously verging on too many songs. The selection is overwhelming, especially when playing with others. The ~80 song range is good.

I disagree completely. EXJP is one of my favorite games BECAUSE of the 100+ songlist. And after beating the game, the selection doesn't seem overwhelming at all. I wouldn't have even called it overwhelming when I first started playing it, since you don't start out with 100+ songs, so... the huge songlist for me just prolonged my giddy 'ooh shiny new DDR toy!' feeling, which was wonderful.

So yeah, I would love another 100+ songlist game, as long as the songs were as good as the ones on Extreme JP.

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