Post #3061 · Posted at 2010-07-20 08:32:35am 14.9 years ago
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i dont know if this was posted before but here a clear audio of IF YOU WERE HERE REMIX
i wouldnt consider this clear. I hear mostly white noisePost #3062 · Posted at 2010-07-20 09:29:59am 14.9 years ago
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thats just freaking STUPID. you must work for konami, considering your blatant disregard for the challenge difficulty. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING says a song cant have a 9/12 foot expert chart and a 10/16 foot oni chart. NOTHING. but oh snap its too hard for some people. bull shit. you dont just DESERVE to pass a song because its in your game, i dont give a damn who its too hard for, garbage like senses needs to NEVER happen. a chart that blatantly ignores the entire rhythm of the song with NO oni chart isnt right, and its downright lazy. konami is getting a lot better at making songs harder regardless of people like you who think you are entitled to passing every song in the game, but we still have a long ways to go before they get it done right. i pretty much despise ITG, but i have to hand it to them they got difficulty right. 7s on hard 10s on expert, 9s on hard 12s on expert, hell 11s on hard 13s on expert. thats doing it right. EVERYONE can enjoy that song. the guys who trip over their own feet can play on medium, you can play on hard, and i can play hard AND expert, i get two charts to play, how about that? no? lets ignore difficulty because some people cant pass songs from mixes that came out 10 years ago? pft.
and i dont care what you say, if you cant do konoko (16th runs) you arent a solid heavy player. i dont expect everyone to pass max300, but if you cant alternate feet on 2 panels you need to work a bit.
and i dont care what you say, if you cant do konoko (16th runs) you arent a solid heavy player. i dont expect everyone to pass max300, but if you cant alternate feet on 2 panels you need to work a bit.
My entire argument can very well work for Challenge charts. I figured I was being broad enough saying "we need more 14s and up" that people would figure I also meant 14s and up in Challenge charts.
I'm not saying we should ignore difficulty, in fact that's EXACTLY what I'm speaking up against. If there were more 14s and 15s, then more 16s and higher would be justified. Right now, Konami is raising the difficulty high above what the curve should support. I'd really love to play 15s and higher consistantly, but how can I be expected to when Konami does not provide a good curve? The answer is obviously to create more 14s, then more 15s, and go on from there with higher difficulties.
Konoko is a strange but solid chart and a good example of what we need more of. I can quite easily pass and have AA'd it. The problem is that there aren't enough streams like that in DDR. As I said, I can do very well on the first chunk of MAX 300. But the song never really dies down. It keeps hitting hard. I feel there's not enough Endurance training in DDR right now, and that's why I think there need to be more 14s. You need to read a little closer and realize that we're not enemies. You quite strongly said that ITG has a good difficulty curve and DDR doesn't. And that's precisely what I've been arguing too, DDR needs to fix the difficulty curve now that they've fixed their charting again. Integrating Challenge charts into older songs would be a really excellent way to help out the cause. Hopefully they'll give up on copy-paste Shock Arrow charts very soon.
Post #3063 · Posted at 2010-07-20 09:38:15am 14.9 years ago
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Stop doing that and back on topic
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Post #3064 · Posted at 2010-07-20 09:45:59am 14.9 years ago
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I'm sorry, I didn't realize that a discussion on the difficulty curve of DDR X2 and the future of DDR was so blatantly interrupting a lively discussion of DDR X2 and the future of DDR that's been going on.
Post #3065 · Posted at 2010-07-20 11:27:29am 14.9 years ago
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thats just freaking STUPID. you must work for konami, considering your blatant disregard for the challenge difficulty. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING blah blah...
I DO agree, but that is why I use edit mode. It is not like konami is going to see this anyway.Quote: MarsPhoenix
My entire argument can very well work for Challenge charts. I figured I was being broad enough saying "we need more 14s and up" that people would figure I also meant 14s and up in Challenge charts.
blah blah gaga...
It's a game, have fun. blah blah gaga...
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Post #3066 · Posted at 2010-07-20 12:06:32pm 14.9 years ago
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Picture an Extreme cab base with SN2 stickers playing USA.
At the NJ SN2 Loctest, it was an Extreme Cab with SN1 banner - running SN2. Kinda awesome. But yeah, why did Konami start making GFDM/DDR cabs red? it doesn't really look that good =/
Post #3067 · Posted at 2010-07-20 12:09:39pm 14.9 years ago
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Picture an Extreme cab base with SN2 stickers playing USA.
Tampa's Tampa Lanes has one DDR 3rdMix cab with the 3rdMix logo MIXED with a DDR Extreme logo running DDR MegaMix.
...the other is an Extreme cab running DDR Extreme US CS. both pads SUCK ASS.
But there's always the beatmania COMPLETE mix 2 right in the far back
Post #3068 · Posted at 2010-07-20 12:35:11pm 14.9 years ago
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This is neat. Its a interesting remix of Sakura Sunrise. Probably fan made, but still good.
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/nm11425834
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/nm11425834
Post #3069 · Posted at 2010-07-20 03:33:48pm 14.9 years ago
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Interesting!
Someone has reportedly gotten a new version of NIJIIRO to come out. It is currently unknown how to do it, but it may have something to do with using EDIT data.
Note the artist name in the results screen. It is normally displayed as "DJ YOSHITAKA feat. G.S.C. LICENSE" but here reads "DJ YOSHITAKA feat. (unknown Kanji). Apparently the song works similarly to SUNKiSS DROP, in that it comes up when selecting NIJIIRO and features no different stepchart than the original. According to the poster, the song vocals in this version are in Chinese.
Someone has reportedly gotten a new version of NIJIIRO to come out. It is currently unknown how to do it, but it may have something to do with using EDIT data.
Note the artist name in the results screen. It is normally displayed as "DJ YOSHITAKA feat. G.S.C. LICENSE" but here reads "DJ YOSHITAKA feat. (unknown Kanji). Apparently the song works similarly to SUNKiSS DROP, in that it comes up when selecting NIJIIRO and features no different stepchart than the original. According to the poster, the song vocals in this version are in Chinese.
Post #3070 · Posted at 2010-07-20 03:46:03pm 14.9 years ago
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A chinese vocal version would be totally surprising and unexpected.
KONAMI have a lot of secrets about X2 ! That's what we are waiting for a long long time
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KONAMI have a lot of secrets about X2 ! That's what we are waiting for a long long time
!Post #3071 · Posted at 2010-07-20 04:07:43pm 14.9 years ago
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The Chinese in the screen seems like 罗沨 (Luo Feng) Can't really see clearly the second character...
Edit: After second look, the Chinese may also have been 罗斓 (Luo Lan)
Edit: After second look, the Chinese may also have been 罗斓 (Luo Lan)
Post #3072 · Posted at 2010-07-20 04:16:35pm 14.9 years ago
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Tampa's Tampa Lanes has one DDR 3rdMix cab with the 3rdMix logo MIXED with a DDR Extreme logo
Gotta love silkscreened marquees:
And whilst his tone is harsh, I agree entirely with this bit:
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ABSOLUTELY NOTHING says a song cant have a 9/12 foot expert chart and a 10/16 foot oni chart.
It's a shame that Konami don't make more use of it. Aside from boss songs, the challenge version of a song is often only marginally more difficult (or in some cases - easier).
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A lot of the bootlegs in the US I saw for some reason were DancingStage featuring TRUE KiSS DESTiNATiON cabinets
Good solid cabinets, with pads that are easily brought back into decent shape with a little TLC and a bit of foam padding (shame about the 10 year old standard-res monitors, though). I still prefer the pads on these over any of the DDR X cabinets - Japanese one included.
Perhaps Konami should just round up all the crappy, mothballed cabinets sitting in distributor's warehouses and refurb the classic stages for use with DDR X
Post #3073 · Posted at 2010-07-20 04:30:04pm 14.9 years ago
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Hmm...
Somehow a player in Japan was able to make an oni chart appear for bag. Don't get too excited yet, the difficulty is the same as heavy and the groove radar looks very similar to (if not exactly the same as) the heavy. A bug maybe?
Somehow a player in Japan was able to make an oni chart appear for bag. Don't get too excited yet, the difficulty is the same as heavy and the groove radar looks very similar to (if not exactly the same as) the heavy. A bug maybe?
Post #3074 · Posted at 2010-07-20 04:39:32pm 14.9 years ago
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bag Challenge has shock arrows maybe?
Post #3075 · Posted at 2010-07-20 04:45:16pm 14.9 years ago
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ABSOLUTELY NOTHING says a song cant have a 9/12 foot expert chart and a 10/16 foot oni chart.
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It's a shame that Konami don't make more use of it. Aside from boss songs, the challenge version of a song is often only marginally more difficult (or in some cases - easier).
When Oni difficulty was available for a song and it was easier than the heavy, it was made for a course initially, not a normal play if I'm right. Remember "SAKURA" in DDR EXTREME.
Post #3076 · Posted at 2010-07-20 06:02:34pm 14.9 years ago
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The only challenge charts (non shock arrows) that are easier than their heavy counter parts are Sakura and DanceDanceRevolution. Sakura was initially the EES in Extreme then DDR took its place. Their challenge charts were to be the EES charts to play, hence why they're a little easier. Thought at one point Konami has said the Challenge chart was meant to be "different", not necessarily harder. But this was 6 years ago, I think it's well established now that Challenge > Heavy (except in the case of shock arrows). Anyways, people were complaining before that Konami's charts were too easy, now people complain about them being to hard. I'm with others who say if you don't like the difficulty of a song, play its easier chart. A lot of players stick their nose out at lower difficulty charts when they are validly hard and or fun charts (Arrabbiatta Standard Dbls comes to mind).
Post #3077 · Posted at 2010-07-20 06:13:14pm 14.9 years ago
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It seems like they put a lot more effort into making good double charts and I'm really looking forward to playing doubles when the machines comes out in our region. I already have this huge nostalgia feeling since I haven't played a proper DDR mix since end of 2007. 8)
Post #3078 · Posted at 2010-07-20 06:13:35pm 14.9 years ago
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Hard charts could be fun and have sense.
New Decade seems to be hard and fun, FELM-oni- isn't .
Looks like KONAMI took IIDX system to DDR, maybe you have to get an number or AAA or play certains songs to unlock challenge charts ? Just a random idea.
New Decade seems to be hard and fun, FELM-oni- isn't .
Looks like KONAMI took IIDX system to DDR, maybe you have to get an number or AAA or play certains songs to unlock challenge charts ? Just a random idea.
Post #3079 · Posted at 2010-07-20 06:15:21pm 14.9 years ago
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Better we call this version : Dance Dance Revolution IIDX
Post #3080 · Posted at 2010-07-20 07:25:46pm 14.9 years ago
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The only challenge charts (non shock arrows) that are easier than their heavy counter parts are Sakura and DanceDanceRevolution. Sakura was initially the EES in Extreme then DDR took its place. Their challenge charts were to be the EES charts to play, hence why they're a little easier. Thought at one point Konami has said the Challenge chart was meant to be "different", not necessarily harder. But this was 6 years ago, I think it's well established now that Challenge > Heavy (except in the case of shock arrows). Anyways, people were complaining before that Konami's charts were too easy, now people complain about them being to hard. I'm with others who say if you don't like the difficulty of a song, play its easier chart. A lot of players stick their nose out at lower difficulty charts when they are validly hard and or fun charts (Arrabbiatta Standard Dbls comes to mind).
You forgot Kakumei.