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Post #221 · Posted at 2022-05-05 11:46:39pm 3.1 years ago

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when someone says drop out is a 14 but you think it's a very easy 13 and you'd rather play can't stop falling in love speed mix which is a borderline 12/13 and they tell you your opinion doesn't matter because you've pfced them both

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But if you've PFC'd them both wouldn't you opinion on their difficulty be more valid because you have a better understanding of the charts?.

i think it's because of the whole "well you don't actually struggle to clear anything in those difficulties or even difficulties remotely close to it so you don't know what's hard to PASS anymore" argument

i disagree with it but i sorta kinda not really get it
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Approximately nobody asked for this song to be included. Least popular decision by the Japanese since Nintendo released the Wii U.
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Post #222 · Posted at 2022-05-05 11:47:12pm 3.1 years ago

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Paranoia Evolution is harder than HVAM and I'll never change my mind on that.

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Post #223 · Posted at 2022-05-05 11:47:15pm 3.1 years ago

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But if you've PFC'd them both wouldn't you opinion on their difficulty be more valid because you have a better understanding of the charts?

No, because if you've PFCed them, they're both going to be at a difficulty level where it's hard for you to distinguish between their difficulty, since they'd be so easy for you.

On the other hand, if you can barely pass both of them, it's easier to understand the nuances in the differences between them. The best people to ask about a song's difficulty are those who can barely pass the song or barely can't pass it.

Post #224 · Posted at 2022-05-05 11:50:49pm 3.1 years ago

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rhythm and police is harder than hvam tbh
bruh imagine playing arrow game .

Post #225 · Posted at 2022-05-05 11:51:18pm 3.1 years ago

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But if you've PFC'd them both wouldn't you opinion on their difficulty be more valid because you have a better understanding of the charts?

No, because if you've PFCed them, they're both going to be at a difficulty level where it's hard for you to distinguish between their difficulty, since they'd be so easy for you.

On the other hand, if you can barely pass both of them, it's easier to understand the nuances in the differences between them. The best people to ask about a song's difficulty are those who can barely pass the song or barely can't pass it.

Okay I barely passed Bi last week but failed PSMO today. A 16 is harder than a 17.

I've PFC'd So In Love and End of the Century. As a result, I just can't tell the difference between their difficulties anymore.
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Post #226 · Posted at 2022-05-05 11:52:14pm 3.1 years ago

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Okay I barely passed Bi last week but failed PSMO today. A 16 is harder than a 17.

What a hot take! I've never heard people say PSMO should be a 17 and bi should be a 16.

Post #227 · Posted at 2022-05-05 11:53:15pm 3.1 years ago

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Okay I barely passed Bi last week but failed PSMO today. A 16 is harder than a 17.

What a hot take! I've never heard people say PSMO should be a 17 and bi should be a 16.
Yeah I've literally never once heard anyone say that and unlike you I'm not being sarcastic about it.
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Post #228 · Posted at 2022-05-05 11:54:15pm 3.1 years ago

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People have been saying Bi Heavy is a 16 since the day it came out...

Post #229 · Posted at 2022-05-05 11:54:32pm 3.1 years ago

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But if you've PFC'd them both wouldn't you opinion on their difficulty be more valid because you have a better understanding of the charts?

No, because if you've PFCed them, they're both going to be at a difficulty level where it's hard for you to distinguish between their difficulty, since they'd be so easy for you.

On the other hand, if you can barely pass both of them, it's easier to understand the nuances in the differences between them. The best people to ask about a song's difficulty are those who can barely pass the song or barely can't pass it.

Okay I barely passed Bi last week but failed PSMO today. A 16 is harder than a 17.

i mean tbh Bi is considered one of the easiest 17s and PSMO is considered one of the hardest 16s so your sarcastic take is actually not something rarely said in seriousness
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Post #230 · Posted at 2022-05-05 11:55:37pm 3.1 years ago

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Post #231 · Posted at 2022-05-05 11:55:40pm 3.1 years ago

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Bi is a 15 tbh argue with the wall
bruh imagine playing arrow game .

Post #232 · Posted at 2022-05-05 11:57:31pm 3.1 years ago

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it doesn't need a re-rating

Every DDR chart needs a re-rating tbh

Post #233 · Posted at 2022-05-05 11:57:46pm 3.1 years ago

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Back on topic, I would feel comfortable with PARANOIA EVOLUTION being a 13, but I would also be okay with it staying as a 12. That's one of those charts where I think it could fall on either side of the fence and I wouldn't have an issue.

Post #234 · Posted at 2022-05-05 11:58:23pm 3.1 years ago

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my favourite part about rerates/decimal ratings is that it's pretty much impossible to come to any conclusion because it really depends on skillsets, and every player has a different one. think of every player as having their own groove radar and the values include footspeed, stamina, crossovers, other tech and BPM gimmicks. depending on where you are on those values, something like PSMO might be a 16.4 for you, or it can be like a fuckin 17.2
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Post #235 · Posted at 2022-05-05 11:59:53pm 3.1 years ago

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People have been saying Bi Heavy is a 16 since the day it came out...
Who says PSMO is a 17 though? PSMO is as hard as FAXX ESP and Pluto Relinquish ESP? No. I don't believe people seriously say that.

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Bi is a 15 tbh argue with the wall
I wouldn't rate anything with 743 steps a 15. I'm AA+ing 15s and got an A+ on Bi. That's several grades apart, they're not the same.
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Post #236 · Posted at 2022-05-06 12:02:50am 3.1 years ago

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it doesn't need a re-rating

i meant to say vega Heavy doesn't need one oops l bozo
also samurai shogun vs master ninja Heavy doesn't need one either

Post #237 · Posted at 2022-05-06 12:04:52am 3.1 years ago

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Who says PSMO is a 17 though? PSMO is as hard as FAXX ESP and Pluto Relinquish ESP? No. I don't believe people seriously say that.

???

Ratings aren't these discrete points on a scale. The DDR difficulty rating system is just an arbitrary, approximate numerical representation of how songs compare to each other. And because difficulty is a continuous value, and not a discrete one, the song doesn't have to be "as hard as" another song to be the same difficulty rating. It just has to be approximately in the ballpark.

Not every 17 is the same. FAXX and Pluto Relinquish ESP are at the high end of 17s. PSMO would be at the low end of 17s. It's not fair to compare a high 16 to a high 17 to determine if it should be rerated. That's asinine.

Post #238 · Posted at 2022-05-06 12:06:23am 3.1 years ago

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Also I definitely know people who say PSMO is a 17. I don't agree, but still.
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Post #239 · Posted at 2022-05-06 12:07:27am 3.1 years ago

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Who says PSMO is a 17 though? PSMO is as hard as FAXX ESP and Pluto Relinquish ESP? No. I don't believe people seriously say that.

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Paranoia Survivor Max Challenge 16 -> 17 - I've always imagined this as being heaps harder than say, Trim Heavy or FELM Heavy

Post #240 · Posted at 2022-05-06 12:17:41am 3.1 years ago

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Who says PSMO is a 17 though? PSMO is as hard as FAXX ESP and Pluto Relinquish ESP? No. I don't believe people seriously say that.

???

Ratings aren't these discrete points on a scale. The DDR difficulty rating system is just an arbitrary, approximate numerical representation of how songs compare to each other. And because difficulty is a continuous value, and not a discrete one, the song doesn't have to be "as hard as" another song to be the same difficulty rating. It just has to be approximately in the ballpark.

Not every 17 is the same. FAXX and Pluto Relinquish ESP are at the high end of 17s. PSMO would be at the low end of 17s. It's not fair to compare a high 16 to a high 17 to determine if it should be rerated. That's asinine.

I've made if further in Pluto Relinquish than PSMO. 800k vs 600k. I think it's perfectly fair to talk about them together when you want to talk about how hard something is to pass. But as was pointed out, different songs require different skill sets. I'm doing okay with foot speed but at 260lbs my body doesn't like the crossovers needed for PSMO. But these ratings aren't just how hard a song is to pass, which is why PSMO is a 16 and Pluto Relinquish ESP is a 17. Someone not having crossovers in their skillset doesn't change the difficulty of PSMO. It's difficulty is constant. If you can crossover its a 16, and if you can't crossover learn to crossover. That's the tech needed for the song, it's the intended strat. Pluto Relinquish ESP requires foot speed, the ending is functionally 200 BPM 16th note streams, that's what you need. If you can crossover but don't have the foot speed PSMO is the easier song. And given the endurance required for both, and the nonsense Pluto Relinquish makes you read compared to PSMO, it's just the harder song despite how far I can make it into both.

And since the ratings aren't just how hard a song is to pass, I go back to what I was saying at the start of this. Someone who can PFC these knows more about the difficulty of the songs than the rest of us. They know exactly what tech is involved and how to execute it.

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Who says PSMO is a 17 though? PSMO is as hard as FAXX ESP and Pluto Relinquish ESP? No. I don't believe people seriously say that.

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Paranoia Survivor Max Challenge 16 -> 17 - I've always imagined this as being heaps harder than say, Trim Heavy or FELM Heavy
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Edit: changed it to a meme so it's more clear that I'm not trying to be an ass hole.
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