DDR X3 VS 2ndMIX (AC) (Japan)

At that point it would largely depend on the average BPM of the song me thinks. Or large amounts of speed changes and stops.

IMO Captain Jack, Blind Justice, Drop Out, Sakura and Across the Nightmare are all solid 13s with Blind Justice being a good 12.

I still would love to see Konami add a few more Uni3 charts because there are a decent amount of (IMO) 14s to help bridge gap that are actually 14s: Concertino in Blue , Out of Decaf , Doki Doki , LA Evolved, Akibariffic, Conga , Rave Until the Night is Over and Midnight Blaze SySF Mix. That's 8 there (9 if you include 888 into the mix) of varying styles that would make a welcome addition the AC library except Conga being temporary for licensing reasons I guess.

MEI and VANESSA would like to have a word with you.

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VANNESA is quite angry right now, so I'd be careful.

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She's burning up.

HE.

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At first I thought someone called Chewi a girl again lol

Blind Justice is way more misdirectional than most 12s, and the surprising bursts of drumroll steps (at 170 bpm, mind you; compared to SUPER STAR's 128) makes it at least 13-worthy. I find it harder than CaptivAte, and even R&P to do well on. (Not that I can't.) CAPTAIN JACK, CARTOON HEROES, and HVAM at least are far above the typical 13 threshold. For instance, compare any of them to AFRONOVA.

Most of those Uni3 stages would absolutely rock to get ported! I'd argue that Rave Until The Night Is Over is 12 at best, though; and Concertino is a solid 15. It may not look that way on SM/controller, but there's a freaking LOT of endurance in stepping that chart. Easily comparable to ZETA.

And okay... MEI and VANESSA are more like the exception to the rule, not the consistence of it. Those do make good 15 > 16 bridge songs, though, and so may Pluto and NGO .

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You tell them if they have something to say, they can to come see me directly.

You sure we're thinking of the same chart? Rave Until the Night is Over has a 110-something stream in the beginning, filled with crossovers, jumps, and "So Deep-like" gallops. I'd argue it at least a 13 from this. And the rest of the song doesn't have much mercy on your stamina, either. I'd also consider it a 14.

@Maxpower: As for the ones you mentioned, I agree for the most part. Most challenge charts from Universe 3 deserve to be 14s except Out of Decaf and MAYBE Akibariffic (as far as I'm concerned, it's the easiest 10 in Universe 3).

I would be very shocked if http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwhTGqrElEY&feature=related was a 14.

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If you think Rave Until The Night Is Over is like SO DEEP I invite you go play SO DEEP. The Challenge chart is dense but it's not that dense and there's no confusion about when to step if you listen to the music. It's more like BUTTERFLY (2008 X-Edit) in that respect and that's only an 11. I think Rave's Challenge lands squarely on 13.

I would say it is a mid-to-hard 12, just because the drumroll steps. If my memory was right, there are only 2 clusters of drumroll steps and they only happened in short time. Also, those freezes between the first verse and near the chorus are quite easy once you get the rhythm.

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I do agree with this.

No news about unlocks after the 2nd Mix OST release ? :/

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Thank you for clarifying. VANESSA almost killed someone.

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I don't get why people don't want more 14+ charts. People are better at the game than they used to be in general. Believe it or not, some people find 12s boring because they are too easy, and with more songs nowadays being capable of having 15-17 difficulty charts, there's no reason they shouldn't as long as they have an easier expert chart to compliment the oni.

Blind Justice = solid 12. 16th drills at 170 are nothing.
Rave oni = solid 13. I'd call it a staple 9 on ITG, so 13 for DDR.
Drop out = low 13, but still a good bridge to 15s because of the ending.

I've always seen 14 on DDR to be the middle ground between 9 and 10 on the old scale. If you had to ask whether it was a 9 or a 10 on the old scale, call it a 14 on the new scale. Chronos would actually be a high 14 in my book because if it was a simfile I made, I would have definitely rated it a 10.

also, Chronos faces right too much

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Finally someone says the right thing.

I agree with this. The Challenge difficulty should be used for more difficult, non shock arrows charts. Challenge should provide charts from 13-17 difficulty on normal nonboss songs. Heavy will be usually 8-13 like it is now, so if you don't like harder charts, you can play heavy.

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Yeah, but people think challenge should be for fun charts and stuff

They should never be making charts that aren't fun. Can hard be fun? Absolutely. They're not mutually exclusive.

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