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Post #181 · Posted at 2009-06-20 10:43:57am 16 years ago

Offline MrTM2
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Quote: sillybear
to Al:
i don't understand why u prefer SM files over DWI files for the new updated simfiles especially from the pre-SN simfiles... since most of them do not contain official background videos... though it may double the size of the stepfile (SM files) compared to DWI files...

what are the changes/differences in the SM file version in DDR EXTREME (or in general in some pre-SN simfiles)? i still prefer the smaller size version of the DWI stepfiles like before... maybe is there anything changes that is more favorable in SM format, maybe i can understand... looking for ur explanation what are they... thnx

SM pwns
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Post #182 · Posted at 2009-06-20 11:04:10am 16 years ago

Offline sillybear
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"Thanks for all your support."
Quote: MrTM2
Quote: sillybear
to Al:
i don't understand why u prefer SM files over DWI files for the new updated simfiles especially from the pre-SN simfiles... since most of them do not contain official background videos... though it may double the size of the stepfile (SM files) compared to DWI files...

what are the changes/differences in the SM file version in DDR EXTREME (or in general in some pre-SN simfiles)? i still prefer the smaller size version of the DWI stepfiles like before... maybe is there anything changes that is more favorable in SM format, maybe i can understand... looking for ur explanation what are they... thnx

SM pwns


what's "pwns"?
Sillybear has already resigned from z-i-v... Sad

Post #183 · Posted at 2009-06-20 11:07:53am 16 years ago

Offline Lord Toon
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Quote: sillybear
to Al:
i don't understand why u prefer SM files over DWI files for the new updated simfiles especially from the pre-SN simfiles... since most of them do not contain official background videos... though it may double the size of the stepfile (SM files) compared to DWI files...

what are the changes/differences in the SM file version in DDR EXTREME (or in general in some pre-SN simfiles)? i still prefer the smaller size version of the DWI stepfiles like before... maybe is there anything changes that is more favorable in SM format, maybe i can understand... looking for ur explanation what are they... thnx
In my personal opinion, There hasn't been a Dancing with Intensity update for a while (I believe, IDK...) And since we all here use StepMania, Might as well just use the SM. format...//

Post #184 · Posted at 2009-06-20 11:22:16am 16 years ago

Offline sillybear
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"Thanks for all your support."
the output from SM and DWI stepfiles in-game are still the same...
in comparison between them, DWI stepfiles have smaller size than SM.. so they load faster than SM files...
downfall for DWI files only are no movie code support and additional features not included from SM files


but since pre-Supernova games in Stepmania do not have background movies included and coded in the SM files... what are the updates from them?
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Post #185 · Posted at 2009-06-20 12:51:13pm 16 years ago

Offline megabeatmanmania
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Quote: piepiepie75

hey is there a problem with the file?? when i load it into my Songs folder SM doesn't pick it up and i cant choose it in my music selection, anyone else having this problem??

Post #186 · Posted at 2009-06-20 05:19:15pm 16 years ago

Offline jorellpd
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sillybear: Actually, DWI is now in my opinion a dead project and we are now using the .SM file which is a much better than .DWI' s though you might say that .SM has a much bigger file size. But .SM has much better features than .DWI files.

megabeatmanmania: Uhm, try to reload the cache in the game through the Options Mode anyways...

Post #187 · Posted at 2009-06-20 07:31:34pm 16 years ago

Offline silenttype01
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DWI does not support the edit difficulty which is total crap. An the sm format is easier to read and more managable.

Post #188 · Posted at 2009-06-20 07:39:31pm 16 years ago

Offline jorellpd
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Yup, silenttype01. You got it... I'm seconding it.

Post #189 · Posted at 2009-06-20 10:30:05pm 16 years ago

Offline roy2009xedit
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Quote: silenttype01
DWI does not support the edit difficulty which is total crap. An the sm format is easier to read and more managable.
The things is, if you edit a chart, it saves it as .dwi and .sm and generates .old files for both.

But .sm is capable of using more features and is easier to edit manually because the codes are less complicated and more in-line with StepMania (the "gap" number and 0,2,4,6,8,A,B,!,(,), etc. are really hard to interpret as the linear numbers/notes displayed in the SM editor).
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Post #190 · Posted at 2009-06-21 12:11:08am 16 years ago

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"Thanks for all your support."
Suggestions for Al:

-All Japanese songtitles and/or japanese artist-text banners from all series should be replaced into English from SN and up banners (e.g. All Riyu Kosaka songs, Blue Impluse, Calico Cat Rock etc.)

- All ES and EES boss songs titles and artist should be displayed in red color banner in songwheel (by adding #MENUCOLOR:RED; in SM/DWI stepfiles)

- All Long songs (in some 5thMix songs and in DDRX Xmixes) should be displayed in purple (#MENUCOLOR:#FB00FB;)

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Post #191 · Posted at 2009-06-21 01:02:39am 16 years ago

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3. No.

Post #192 · Posted at 2009-06-21 03:03:23am 16 years ago

Offline DJjeff
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">Sad"
Quote: sillybear
Suggestions for Al:

-All Japanese songtitles and/or japanese artist-text banners from all series should be replaced into English from SN and up banners (e.g. All Riyu Kosaka songs, Blue Impluse, Calico Cat Rock etc.)

- All ES and EES boss songs titles and artist should be displayed in red color banner in songwheel (by adding #MENUCOLOR:RED; in SM/DWI stepfiles)

- All Long songs (in some 5thMix songs and in DDRX Xmixes) should be displayed in purple (#MENUCOLOR:#FB00FB;)

- 5 for you. Stop making demands, if you don't like the way alan does things here, then don't download anything from here. He's not gonna change them just because you say so. If he doesn't want to, then he's not gonna, plus I like the japanese better anyway. If you want it done so bad, then do it yourself in your own stepmania, specially the color changes Confused, the banners can be found in the graphics thread, so go look for them, lazy.Annoyed
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Post #193 · Posted at 2009-06-21 04:58:03am 16 years ago

Offline al2k4
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Dancing Stage SuperNOVA (AC) (Japan) updated. 128kbps audio bumped up to 320kbps. Various backgrounds have been updated.

Songs that include SuperNOVA (AC) exclusive steps have been added including:

BAILA! BAILA!
BALLAD FOR YOU
GORGEOUS 2012
INSERTiON (Machine Gun Kelly Mix)
KEEP ON MOVIN' (DMX Mix)
MATSURI (J-SUMMER MIX)
PUT YOUR FAITH IN ME(SATURDAY NIGHT MIX)

BALALAIKA, CARRIED WITH THE WIND updated in Xbox Song Pack 08 category.
Brazilian Anthem updated in Xbox Song Pack 13 category.
Brilliant R.E.D updated in ULTRAMIX3 category.
Himawari updated in ULTRAMIX3 category.
rainbow flyer updated in ULTRAMIX3 category.

Post #194 · Posted at 2009-06-21 05:14:05am 16 years ago

Offline Kyzentun
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There hasn't been a Dancing with Intensity update for a while (I believe, IDK...)
They release a new pack of 20 every few months. They're up over 900 total so far. Look through the news updates on stepmania.com to spot the last time they released a pack. It's interesting to note that they provide .ogg/.sm versions of the files as well as the other versions.

As for the .sm vs .dwi debate, I'm in favor of using .sm, because rhythmatic's chart viewer is better than the one that's used for dwi's, and for the reasons silenttype01 listed. Plus, if I ever take a file to play on an r21 machine, I just have to convert the mp3 to ogg, I don't have to convert the .dwi to .sm.
As for the loading time, that's completely bogus. I really doubt you know how Stepmania loads files up, and what factors into loading time. Size is only a small part of it, the complexity of the parser matters more than size for small files. Neither of us knows whether the dwi parser or the sm parser is more complex, so loading time is a pointless thing to bring up.
silenttype01: Kyzentun is never harsh. He says it how it is.

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Post #195 · Posted at 2009-06-21 07:14:18am 16 years ago

Offline silenttype01
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Quote: DJjeff
- 5 for you. Stop making demands, if you don't like the way alan does things here, then don't download anything from here. He's not gonna change them just because you say so. If he doesn't want to, then he's not gonna, plus I like the japanese better anyway. If you want it done so bad, then do it yourself in your own stepmania, specially the color changes Confused, the banners can be found in the graphics thread, so go look for them, lazy.Annoyed

He's not demanding. He put "suggestions for Al" at the top of his post. And if you have seen his other posts, you would see that's how he types as English isn't his native language.

Post #196 · Posted at 2009-06-21 10:07:55am 16 years ago

Offline sillybear
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"Thanks for all your support."
Quote: silenttype01
Quote: DJjeff
- 5 for you. Stop making demands, if you don't like the way alan does things here, then don't download anything from here. He's not gonna change them just because you say so. If he doesn't want to, then he's not gonna, plus I like the japanese better anyway. If you want it done so bad, then do it yourself in your own stepmania, specially the color changes Confused, the banners can be found in the graphics thread, so go look for them, lazy.Annoyed

He's not demanding. He put "suggestions for Al" at the top of his post. And if you have seen his other posts, you would see that's how he types as English isn't his native language.

In fact, I just first read DJjeff comment that led me to tell, "Hey! I'm not really demanding... i just put suggestions in it"
If Alan won't, then it's fine.
And besides, there is no reason to don't like the way Alan does everything in here... and also i never ask Alan to put back the DWI files
that were used to be before for pre-SN songs. Just seeking for explanations about them. Now i'm done reading them.

To those who commented about the DWI-SM issues, thank you for making me realized the differences between them...

at silenttype01: thank u for your understandings about my posts...
At DJjeff: next time understand my posts carefully... WORD BY WORD... ok?
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Post #197 · Posted at 2009-06-21 10:27:06am 16 years ago

Offline MrTM2
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Back on topic: so how do 1st-5th mix songs work? What was the PS1 DDR's encoding at? Or will you just use a V-RARE or CD?
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Post #198 · Posted at 2009-06-21 10:40:41am 16 years ago

Offline silenttype01
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"DINGDONG♥HEARTS"
V-rares only contain about 12 tracks.

If Al isn't able to rip them the way he has been doing with the others so far, he's going to be using the soundtracks as a base and work from there.

Post #199 · Posted at 2009-06-21 10:44:28am 16 years ago

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Quote: jorellpd
sillybear: Actually, DWI is now in my opinion a dead project and we are now using the .SM file which is a much better than .DWI' s though you might say that .SM has a much bigger file size. But .SM has much better features than .DWI files.

megabeatmanmania: Uhm, try to reload the cache in the game through the Options Mode anyways...


hey i got it working finally. idk if it was the reloading that did the trick, but i found it under the Numbers selection because the song was named "2Mind Parasite". At least i got , thank you very much.

Post #200 · Posted at 2009-06-21 10:45:18am 16 years ago

Offline silenttype01
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"DINGDONG♥HEARTS"
Quote: megabeatmanmania
hey i got it working finally. idk if it was the reloading that did the trick, but i found it under the Numbers selection because the song was named "2Mind Parasite". At least i got , thank you very much.

.....Oops dammit! I knew I forgot to fix something. thanks for pointing that out.
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