Post #1 · Posted at 2009-01-16 03:16:32am 16.4 years ago
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How good does a player have to be at the game for you to consider them skilled at it? I don't mean skilled enough to impress you, but simply skilled enough that you would expect to be able to discuss things like step chart quality, which charts are harder than others, and such, with a common base for the conversation.
Myself, I consider anyone that can't at least A a few 9s like CSFILSM to be unskilled. I don't discuss achievements or new charts with them.
Myself, I consider anyone that can't at least A a few 9s like CSFILSM to be unskilled. I don't discuss achievements or new charts with them.
Post #2 · Posted at 2009-01-16 03:22:57am 16.4 years ago
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Mmm, well I certainly do fulfill that criteria.
I have two sides, because not everybody does the same thing.
On the one side, if you can Freestyle 8s or higher and get As, I consider you skilled.
On the other side, if you Perfect Attack 9's and get AAs or better, I also consider you skilled.
Realistically, any player who has played constantly for half a year or more (and can play 9 footers and pass) is probably skilled enough to fill your "base" for conversation.
I have two sides, because not everybody does the same thing.
On the one side, if you can Freestyle 8s or higher and get As, I consider you skilled.
On the other side, if you Perfect Attack 9's and get AAs or better, I also consider you skilled.
Realistically, any player who has played constantly for half a year or more (and can play 9 footers and pass) is probably skilled enough to fill your "base" for conversation.
Post #3 · Posted at 2009-01-16 03:41:54am 16.4 years ago
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Nope, I know people that have played longer than me (4 years) and they still can't carry their own part in a conversation pertaining to chart quality and the technical stuff.
Anybody that can play doubles is skilled enough for me to talk to. From there, they can carry the conversation with me.
Anybody that can play doubles is skilled enough for me to talk to. From there, they can carry the conversation with me.
Post #4 · Posted at 2009-01-16 03:53:46am 16.4 years ago
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If someone can pass most 9 footers and can properly do most songs without using the bar (that is, cross over when appropriate, turning when appropriate, Afronova walking when appropriate). I'm not against bar raping, but to me, it nullifies your view point of a good quality chart, especially if you're barring easy songs such as Trip Machine luv mix or Feeling of Love, because you're not moving in the intended manner that the chart has you move. People like this usually say songs like Paranoia and Trip Machine are stupid because it forces you to turn. Erm, hello, that's what makes them FUN.
Post #5 · Posted at 2009-01-16 04:04:46am 16.4 years ago
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Wow, another "Good" thread. And since doubles is in play, I think I have a bit more leg room.
Being able to play doubles is a little good, but being able to A songs is what I consider "Good". Then there's being able to AA a nice handful of songs and either having beaten or can beat at least 98% of the songs in a DDR mix. The missing 2% or 1% include Fascination MAXX/O, FELM/O, HDVO, and PSMO for SuperNOVA (Max 300 SMMM is easier to pass I say), Pluto Relinquish and PHO plus the previous four for SuperNOVA 2, and whatever X coughs up as the hardest song for X plus the previous six named.
Who dares say those songs are stupid because it forces you to turn?!
Being able to play doubles is a little good, but being able to A songs is what I consider "Good". Then there's being able to AA a nice handful of songs and either having beaten or can beat at least 98% of the songs in a DDR mix. The missing 2% or 1% include Fascination MAXX/O, FELM/O, HDVO, and PSMO for SuperNOVA (Max 300 SMMM is easier to pass I say), Pluto Relinquish and PHO plus the previous four for SuperNOVA 2, and whatever X coughs up as the hardest song for X plus the previous six named.
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People like this usually say songs like Paranoia and Trip Machine are stupid because it forces you to turn. Erm, hello, that's what makes them FUN.
Who dares say those songs are stupid because it forces you to turn?!
Post #6 · Posted at 2009-01-16 04:10:52am 16.4 years ago
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I'd say someone qualifies as good if they can pass 8 footers.
If they can pass 10's then they qualify as skilled.
If they can pass ITG 13's they qualify as dieties.
If they can pass 10's then they qualify as skilled.
If they can pass ITG 13's they qualify as dieties.
Post #7 · Posted at 2009-01-16 04:14:30am 16.4 years ago
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I'm still a noob when it comes to Doubles. The only 9 chart I can pass is AA, and I still fail some 8 footers.
To Trigger, players who suck. What I dislike more than a player who will outright deny the usefulness of crossovers and shifts, is a player who will pretend to take the advice just to get you to shut up, especially when they whine and complain that a song is too hard and that they wish it didn't have certain steps. It's the same case with GFDM/GHRB. Nobody wants to strum both ways because "It feels weird." That's like saying Naoki doesn't know how to turn left. You go "WTF@WK YOU HIGH?"
To Trigger, players who suck. What I dislike more than a player who will outright deny the usefulness of crossovers and shifts, is a player who will pretend to take the advice just to get you to shut up, especially when they whine and complain that a song is too hard and that they wish it didn't have certain steps. It's the same case with GFDM/GHRB. Nobody wants to strum both ways because "It feels weird." That's like saying Naoki doesn't know how to turn left. You go "WTF@WK YOU HIGH?"
Post #8 · Posted at 2009-01-16 04:41:12am 16.4 years ago
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for me it depends from to player. there are people I consider good and can't even pass a 9 but they do crossovers and move well according to my point of view.
but generally a person being able to clear most nines in DDR is good to me. because with nines comes usually the ability of knowing a chart with all it can offer to the player. (on doubles it's pretty clear, each nine is different and has something else to offer *evil grin* - I won't forget the time when someone told me to try Exotic Ethnic Exp and Afronova Exp o_O).
and with clear I mean that the person knows!!! what he is doing. Not some stepping on anything and not caring about the patterns and such...etc.
but generally a person being able to clear most nines in DDR is good to me. because with nines comes usually the ability of knowing a chart with all it can offer to the player. (on doubles it's pretty clear, each nine is different and has something else to offer *evil grin* - I won't forget the time when someone told me to try Exotic Ethnic Exp and Afronova Exp o_O).
and with clear I mean that the person knows!!! what he is doing. Not some stepping on anything and not caring about the patterns and such...etc.
Post #9 · Posted at 2009-01-16 04:45:06am 16.4 years ago
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My idea of good is being able to pass medium-level 8's or, for Doubles, being able to pass several songs that are 7 or higher.
Myself, I consider anyone that can't at least A a few 9s like CSFILSM to be unskilled. I don't discuss achievements or new charts with them.I would probably fail CSFILSM, but I've done AA, Broken My Heart, Insertion, Brilliant RED, etc. Do I qualify as skilled?
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Myself, I consider anyone that can't at least A a few 9s like CSFILSM to be unskilled. I don't discuss achievements or new charts with them.
Post #10 · Posted at 2009-01-16 04:45:45am 16.4 years ago
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ITT we look down on others
Post #11 · Posted at 2009-01-16 04:55:18am 16.4 years ago
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Myself, I consider anyone that can't at least A a few 9s like CSFILSM to be unskilled. I don't discuss achievements or new charts with them.
I would probably fail CSFILSM, but I've done AA, Broken My Heart, Insertion, Brilliant RED, etc. Do I qualify as skilled?Post #12 · Posted at 2009-01-16 10:17:13am 16.4 years ago
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I've passed CSFILSM once, but it was in Training Mode in UM1. I think I got a D.
Also, most DDR stepcharts are good. Take Shades of Grey
for example. It's a fun stepchart, but I understand that it's too easy for some people. I think that a 9-footer could be made from this song.
Although, there's the occasional bad stepchart. I'm looking at you, DEGRS.
Also, most DDR stepcharts are good. Take Shades of Grey
for example. It's a fun stepchart, but I understand that it's too easy for some people. I think that a 9-footer could be made from this song.Although, there's the occasional bad stepchart. I'm looking at you, DEGRS.
Post #13 · Posted at 2009-01-16 10:27:57am 16.4 years ago
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For me, It's as long as you can finished the song without losing all of your lifemeter...but then again that's just me!//
Post #14 · Posted at 2009-01-16 10:42:04am 16.4 years ago
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2+ deviations from the mean.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normal_distribution
Uh seriously though I like to talk to people who can at least do 9s or so. Partly because that's where I'm at (9s and the easy 10s) and partly because, like everyone else said, it seems like that's about when you really start to understand the game.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normal_distribution
Uh seriously though I like to talk to people who can at least do 9s or so. Partly because that's where I'm at (9s and the easy 10s) and partly because, like everyone else said, it seems like that's about when you really start to understand the game.
Post #15 · Posted at 2009-01-16 10:47:45am 16.4 years ago
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Get an A on MAX 300 , and I say you understand the fundamentals of the game and can discuss the finer points of the game. If that A is on Single, then you understand the Single game. On Double, you understand the Double game. They're really pretty different. Though, I understand anyone can appreciate a good, fun step chart, regardless of skill level.
Just my completely arbitrary measure.
EDIT: You know, after a bit of thought, just passing MAX 300 is good enough for me. Whether or not you got an A or D really depends on your PA, and at that level, you would already know that.
, and I say you understand the fundamentals of the game and can discuss the finer points of the game. If that A is on Single, then you understand the Single game. On Double, you understand the Double game. They're really pretty different. Though, I understand anyone can appreciate a good, fun step chart, regardless of skill level.Just my completely arbitrary measure.
EDIT: You know, after a bit of thought, just passing MAX 300 is good enough for me. Whether or not you got an A or D really depends on your PA, and at that level, you would already know that.
Post #16 · Posted at 2009-01-16 10:51:32am 16.4 years ago
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2+ deviations from the mean.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normal_distribution
Uh seriously though I like to talk to people who can at least do 9s or so. Partly because that's where I'm at (9s and the easy 10s) and partly because, like everyone else said, it seems like that's about when you really start to understand the game.
standard deviations sir.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normal_distribution
Uh seriously though I like to talk to people who can at least do 9s or so. Partly because that's where I'm at (9s and the easy 10s) and partly because, like everyone else said, it seems like that's about when you really start to understand the game.
Post #17 · Posted at 2009-01-23 11:09:59am 16.4 years ago
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I only do mid-8's, but to me, anyone who can actually play a round of even standard DDR with a typically hard 
song is good. Maybe not skilled, but they are good. I dunno, maybe my expectations are low because where I live, people have a hard time passing Butterfly 
-.- Seriously... besides me, I think the hardest song I've seen someone play with my own eyes was Love Shine 
song is good. Maybe not skilled, but they are good. I dunno, maybe my expectations are low because where I live, people have a hard time passing Butterfly -.- Seriously... besides me, I think the hardest song I've seen someone play with my own eyes was Love Shine Post #18 · Posted at 2009-01-23 11:47:20am 16.4 years ago
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Someone who can pass flashing 10s+ otherwise you suck.
I suck.
I suck.
Post #19 · Posted at 2009-01-23 11:53:09am 16.4 years ago
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Someone who can pass flashing 10s+ otherwise you suck.
I suck.
The flashing of the rating was the equivalent of a car with go faster stripes painted on. It doesn't actually mean it's harder, it's just something they stuck on new 10s for a couple mixes.I suck.
Proof: PSH is flashing on EX2 CS, when it's barely harder than Max 300.
Unless n00b_saib0t comes along and presents better proof that I'm wrong, that's what I'm going to believe.
Post #20 · Posted at 2009-01-23 11:53:29am 16.4 years ago
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well i played ITG at an arcade at a theater on a field trip and everyone thought I was awesome at DDR when i played Pandemonium on Medium and failed half way. i think i could have lasted longer if i was hydrated and wasn't wearing a winter coat while playing!
