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Post #1 · Posted at 2009-01-08 02:12:06am 16.4 years ago

Offline RTCB
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"Killing multi-colored snails!"
Is it just me, or is MixMeister a bit faulty? And by a bit, I mean a lot. I've been getting BPMs that are COMPLETELY unrelated to the song involved. If MM just averaged the peak output and then measured the distance between them I'd understand, but that's the most primitive way of doing it if you don't have sectional iso's. For example, a song I'm working on: "After Dark TV OP" by AKFG is 190.021 BPM. This is my calculation, and it's accurate. But MixMeister gives me like, 9/19 of the speed, if I were to just guess at the ratio.

???

Is anybody else lost here? 78.4 isn't even a third of the BPM, it has no musical bearing on the actual BPM.

The smart way to do it on your own is to use a filter like ddream and isolate the peaks yourself, then find the longest section of stable measures (without thirds and stuff like that, all fourths). Measure and record the distance in time between each of them, making room for .xx differences, and find the average. That's your BPM. Multiply it however you like. But that takes like, 20 minutes.

So, alternatives, suggestions?
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Post #2 · Posted at 2009-01-08 02:17:18am 16.4 years ago

Offline Hiryuu
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Half the time, MixMeister BPMAnalyzer is off, even in the slightest. If you deal in a song that doesn't have a steady BPM throughout, as well, it will most certainly be off.

I do use it as a means to garner a guess. The rest of it tends to be sync work on my own part which I do through SM using the F4 clap as a means of backup for the sync pattern. That's how I've done it for five years.

Post #3 · Posted at 2009-01-08 05:57:26am 16.4 years ago

Offline RTCB
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"Killing multi-colored snails!"
Right, but with 3.9 the clap is behind just slightly, and with 4.0 if you adjust it yourself it's never fully accurate.

I spam right arrows every fourth note and close my eyes while I tap it out, then view the results. Then for the fine tuning I just take a gander at ddream.

Practical math is used in music too, though, so what do you know? I understand it won't be RIGHT ON in that sense, but c'mon, try tripling, quadrupling, even layering this BPM a couple times, you have to use an out-of-the-way number to get to 190. And 190.21 NEVER goes off for me. I just wish there was a tool that would let you select a section you want measured, so you can get that iso.

Functionality mods for ddream might be a good idea too, but I'm not a C++ kinda guy so strapping a script on a program that isn't mine is as smart as making a C4 using an online guide, which can get you in trouble with the government.

I find it's easier to use metronomes. I currently use TempoPerfect, which serves my purposes even if it's on the quiet end without equalizer mods. I used to have a metronome that would sync to current audio output. It would take a couple tries but it got it to about half a beat. I think it was called "Localizer" or something of that nature.
In war, no matter what, killing is killing and no rules or morals can change that ~ Rubedo, the Crystal Blood
A non-violent pacifist will ultimately kill a hundred men just to save his own life ~ Albedo, the Resplendent Eclipse
There's no point in washing your hands if you're going to bloody them again anyway ~ Nigredo, the Black Dove
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Post #4 · Posted at 2009-01-08 06:03:25am 16.4 years ago

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MixMeister BPM Analyzer has its moments. Sometimes it's spot-on, and other times it's way off. For example, it claimed that the BPM of VOX UP from DJ TROOPERS CS was 132 when the BPM is clearly 202.

Post #5 · Posted at 2009-01-08 06:13:09am 16.4 years ago

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"Killing multi-colored snails!"
So isn't there a more consistent product? Or else a product with enough functionality to compensate?
In war, no matter what, killing is killing and no rules or morals can change that ~ Rubedo, the Crystal Blood
A non-violent pacifist will ultimately kill a hundred men just to save his own life ~ Albedo, the Resplendent Eclipse
There's no point in washing your hands if you're going to bloody them again anyway ~ Nigredo, the Black Dove
Even if I am inevitably going to die, I will still fight to live for as long as I possibly can ~ Citrine, the Dual Twilight

Click to see a Hardcore Gay picture.
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Post #6 · Posted at 2009-01-08 06:16:47am 16.4 years ago

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I'm pretty sure there is, but I don't know about a better product, unfortunately. If I come across one, I'll mention it here.

Post #7 · Posted at 2009-01-13 03:36:37am 16.4 years ago

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MixMeister BPM Analyzer has its moments. Sometimes it's spot-on, and other times it's way off. For example, it claimed that the BPM of VOX UP from DJ TROOPERS CS was 132 when the BPM is clearly 202.
It also said Cookie Bouquets is 111.64, which is nowhere near 205.

Now I'm having trouble zeroing in on the precise BPM.

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Post #8 · Posted at 2009-01-13 04:22:04am 16.4 years ago

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"Killing multi-colored snails!"
If you don't mind waiting a while I can find it for you.
In war, no matter what, killing is killing and no rules or morals can change that ~ Rubedo, the Crystal Blood
A non-violent pacifist will ultimately kill a hundred men just to save his own life ~ Albedo, the Resplendent Eclipse
There's no point in washing your hands if you're going to bloody them again anyway ~ Nigredo, the Black Dove
Even if I am inevitably going to die, I will still fight to live for as long as I possibly can ~ Citrine, the Dual Twilight

Click to see a Hardcore Gay picture.
What, you thought I was joking? Well, too bad. *evil laugh*
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