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Post #1 · Posted at 2012-05-03 01:10:52pm 2.4 years ago

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I do not think anyone has revealed this yet so I will just say it. Just as the topic above says, DDR X2 is no longer in the Betson website listings. Pieces such as the Wheel of Fortune 42" LCD compact version and the Fast and Furious Super Cars conversion kit have seem to taken over. ReRave is the only music game on their catalog at this time.

For those who do not know, Betson Enterprises is the main distributor for DDR ever since SuperNOVA's release in the US. Wheel of Fortume (both compact and standard versions, created by Konami along with Raw Thrills and Play Mechanix) is still listed in the catalog.

Post #2 · Posted at 2012-05-03 02:36:55pm 2.4 years ago

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Betson made a terrible work with the X2 cabinets. Btw, does it mean Betson will stop selling DDR equipment?
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Post #3 · Posted at 2012-05-03 06:46:12pm 2.4 years ago

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Wow....i guess that rumor about seeing X3 in America is pretty much coming more truer by the minute. But I would have never even guessed that they would also be taking away the US X2 AC listing as well.

Now I feel bad for those states that haven't gotten X2 yet Sad

Post #4 · Posted at 2012-05-03 08:08:24pm 2.4 years ago

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I'm thinking that Konami is dumping Betson, which is why we haven't seen an X3. My guess is that they may be waiting until X4/whatever and perhaps they may have a new distributor then...

Aw hell, who am I kidding? Arcades suck in the US.
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Post #5 · Posted at 2012-05-03 10:20:18pm 2.4 years ago

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There also has been rumors that Konami Digital Entertainment will utilize their American sister company, Konami Gaming, to make future American units. However I wouldn't hold my breath. Besides from a casino standpoint, KGI games are inferior to brands like WMS and IGT so I can't imagine any better quality going into the hardware of a DDR machine.

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So basically, we're all screwed one way or another, is that what you're saying?

Can't disagree really, the state of the arcades in the US isn't improving any more than it already is thanks to *cough*consolegaming*cough*, I think now would be a good time for Konami to start integrating a lot of the AC features into the CS versions in NA and EU if this is to be the case this year. Japan can have them both or simply stick with AC releases, just give us something of similar value overseas.

Post #7 · Posted at 2012-05-03 10:34:57pm 2.4 years ago

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Realistically, I think DDR is close to being done overall. However I won't hold to that for sure. The best source for new song content in America realistically will be Stepmania or Open Groove machines, and realistically those are the machines that should be supported because those are the people who want to support the hardcore community like us (which sadly is a dying population). Also remember to support local groups and get-togethers in your area. Support for the arcade versions starts at home, and while it looks like DDR is going the way of the dinosaurs, we can still have fun playing it.

Post #8 · Posted at 2012-05-03 10:49:51pm 2.4 years ago

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It really is a sad day for hardcore DDR players. Ever since Guitar Hero, Rock Band, and Just Dance have stolen the music game scene, it's taken away all of the casuals who could of been potential hardcore players.

I wonder how the ITG scene would of been if Roxor would of won the case from way back when. (We'd of at least of had ITG2 CS then. I was SO looking forward to that, but never came true. Sad )

And I also blame KONAMI for a lack of good marketing for the games. If DDR would of been advertised more, more casuals might of flocked over to buy the CS mixes or play at their local arcades.

Post #9 · Posted at 2012-05-03 10:54:20pm 2.4 years ago

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It really is a sad day for hardcore DDR players. Ever since Guitar Hero (Put on hiatus), Rock Band (currently King of the "band" music games now that GH production has stopped), and Just Dance (Dance Central is a little more popular, besides JD hasn't seen much hype in a while) have stolen the music game scene, it's taken away all of the casuals who could of been potential hardcore players.

Fixed. Music gaming in general has completely lost interest with many gamers in the past 3 years now, even a more sadder truth. *coughCODandFPSgamescough*

But...yeah, Konami can advertise Yu-Gi-Oh, Metal Gear, and other games but not DDR? One of their flagship titles in America? Neutral

Post #10 · Posted at 2012-05-03 11:09:07pm 2.4 years ago

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With games like Dance Central and Just Dance, there's really no need for arrows and panels today. In the US's eyes, DDR is out of date and the majority of players really don't care for it anymore. DDR got its hardcore base from arcades. Now with arcades suffering a slow painful death, DDR has focused on home version games. This is great for new upcoming players but it's awful for veteran players. Almost as if veteran players are being put to the side for the next generation and we have no where to go. We get mad when something bad like this happens because we love the game and we feel that we are not getting any love back. It's frustrating but it is true. Also the whole Betson and machines not working thing did not do AC DDR any justice.Roll Eyes
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Post #11 · Posted at 2012-05-03 11:09:35pm 2.4 years ago

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DDR is not Konami's flagship title in America. It would be between Silent Hill and Metal Gear

Post #12 · Posted at 2012-05-03 11:13:44pm 2.4 years ago

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DDR is not Konami's flagship title in America. It would be between Silent Hill and Metal Gear
What about Rock Band with EA even though it has games like Mass Effect and the Madden series? What About Guitar Hero with Activision even though they have games like COD? It may not be "THIS IS OUR MAJOR GAME" kind of deal but if you think about it, it's one of their most popular and well-known titles alongside those games you listed. It may not be AS popular but it's there.

Post #13 · Posted at 2012-05-03 11:19:13pm 2.4 years ago

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Does anybody know how well X3 vs. 2nd Mix is doing in Japan? I've heard that DDR in Japan has been on the decline as well, but I don't think that it's because of those other western music games that i've mentioned in my above post.

I'd say that there's a 50-60% chance we might get a new CS version this year, but if no DDRs get announced at E3 this year, than DDR is as good as done in the western world. Dead I seriously didn't think that we'd have anymore CS versions after X2 PS2, but I was wrong.

Even if there are no new CS versions this year, DDR II would of been a good stopping point, seeing how we got most of the epic X2 AC and all the RDA songs, and then some. Happy

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Wii U DDR Title found under a Japanese listing for Wii U games sort of tells us DDR isn't done for in regards to CS versions, as for how the current state of DDR is in Japan, we need Aaron/seishinbyou to give us an insight about this.

Or you could read his book online :v

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Seeing how the Wii U dropped Gamecube controller support, how are we supposed to play on the pad now? Wirelessly? Would we all have to be forced to play on wireless pads?

@Max: I was talking about a western, North American DDR CS release. Just because Japan might get a new CS release doesn't mean that NA will.

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Seeing how the Wii U dropped Gamecube controller support, how are we supposed to play on the pad now? Wirelessly? Would we all have to be forced to play on wireless pads?
I'm sure Konami's got something up their sleeves if they ARE planning on releasing a DDR title to the Wii U....

....Besides, if the Wii U has USB ports, just take the Wii DDR mat and slap a USB plug to it. WHY DIDN'T YOU THINK OF THA-

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DDR is not Konami's flagship title in America. It would be between Silent Hill and Metal Gear

Actually, I think it's the Yugi-oh series, although Metal Gear is undoubtedly the most critically acclaimed. Silent Hill? They don't even make those themselves anymore, I think they have outsourced the last few games, and they are even handing out the newest MG (Revengeance) to another studio too. Konami isn't even that good of a game company, but once in a while they release a REAL classic. That's the only reason they're still around IMO, haha.

It sucks to hear this about X2, I really wish western re-sellers got ahold of now-old X2 upgrade kits from JP and brought them over here just like in the old pre-SN days. Japan would always be one mix ahead, but I wouldn't mind that if it means that we had more chances of seeing these games around.

Post #18 · Posted at 2012-05-04 12:09:13am 2.4 years ago

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Honestly, I've heard the mantra "DDR is slowing dying" since 2003. 9 years later, DDR has yet to die. Yeah, it's not as big as it was, but when people come by the arcade here, when they see PIU they say "oh it's a DDR machine". When I first started, very few people know what DDR was, now when I say DDR they know what I'm talking about.

Honestly, DDR at the arcade has always had something that CS versions cannot provide: public performances, larger song list and better pad hardware (inb4 X/X2 cabs broken, I know I know, but think of DDR on the whole). I would almost bet that when people buy CS versions of DDR, the do so in hopes to play the arcade specific content in an arcade some day.

As for ITG/Stepmania machines, I've seen how the "general" public reacts to these machines. The hardcore base may eat it up, but those that are just looking for a DDR fix immediately skip over the custom sims and shoot for stuff found on their beloved DDR.

As much as it is painful to see that Betson is no longer carrying X2, keep in mind that DDR was in it's prime back when there was no official US distributor for DDR. There are still X2 machines popping up. If Konami really had plans to completely cut out DDR in the US markets, why continue to push things such as DDR Classroom? I think people get a very skewed idea of how DDR is fairing from their own circle/community/arcade. If you take into account the entire US area, not to mention the number of DDR players that aren't even into the online community (and in my arcade, there's quite a few), you might see DDR isn't as dead as people portray it.

And before anyone accuses me of just being a hopeful fanboy, I'm not really thinking about DDR in that manner. I've been to several arcades over the years across the east coast at the very least to find small pockets of players in Missouri, Indiana, Kentucky, Alabama, Maryland, Virginia, etc etc that aren't really active in the online community, but they still played DDR and loved the game as much as I do. Honestly, one could say the PIU scene is dying but anyone who plays PIU knows good and well there's a large enough community that exists (that just isn't as vocal as the DDR community) that Andamiro continues to pump out (no pun intended) new releases.

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Wii U DDR Title found under a Japanese listing for Wii U games
This list? That was a list of Japanese trademarks that was misinterpreted as a list of upcoming Wii U games. A lot of those games turned out to be for different consoles (Spirit Camera is a 3DS exclusive, Beat the Beat is an alternate title for Rhythm Heaven Fever, Guardian Cross is an iOS game, God Stone is an arcade game, etc), or not even games (Social Factory).
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DDR and the rhythm game craze is a thing of a generation and, although these games are fun to us, they likely seem more like a novelty to most. What got people enthused about DDR and its counterparts was the fact that it was a new concept that paved the way for unique experiences both in the arcade and at home. It's old now and ill maintained in quality (see: console bombs and poor cabs) and excitement so it is only logical that it is in fact 'dying' here in the US.

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