Post #1 · Posted at 2008-09-27 05:30:29am 15.7 years ago
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Okay, I have a kind of embarrassing guilty pleasure: easy nonstop courses. One of my favorites is Eurobeat (difficult). It's fun, and I love the songs. So I've played it a couple of times.
Now I thought maybe I was just getting too many greats, but my best on the course is 25 greats (full combo). The full combo for the course is over 800. No NGs, no nothing. I don't know how many perfects I got, but I didn't get a ton of them either. The score I got was 925xxx.
So why won't it give me the AA for this course? What am I doing wrong? Am I doing anything wrong? Will it just not let me AA courses that have no heavy-level songs in them?
I'm confused and slightly frustrated. Can anyone help?
Now I thought maybe I was just getting too many greats, but my best on the course is 25 greats (full combo). The full combo for the course is over 800. No NGs, no nothing. I don't know how many perfects I got, but I didn't get a ton of them either. The score I got was 925xxx.
So why won't it give me the AA for this course? What am I doing wrong? Am I doing anything wrong? Will it just not let me AA courses that have no heavy-level songs in them?
I'm confused and slightly frustrated. Can anyone help?
Post #2 · Posted at 2008-09-27 05:32:52am 15.7 years ago
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If it's SN-X then you need at less 950xxx to get an AA. My advice is get more Marvelous steps.![Wink](../emoticons/icon_wink.gif)
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Post #3 · Posted at 2008-09-27 05:34:36am 15.7 years ago
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If it's SN-X then you need at less 950xxx to get an AA. My advice is get more Marvelous steps.![Wink](../emoticons/icon_wink.gif)
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I know that, silly.
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Post #4 · Posted at 2008-09-27 05:37:12am 15.7 years ago
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I think Marvelous count's a 10 points more as a Perfect, but getting a lot of them will start adding up.
If it's an easy course, then that means less steps, that means each step is worth more and there's less room for error.
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Post #5 · Posted at 2008-09-27 05:52:15am 15.7 years ago
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Okay, but the max combo is somewhere over 800. Let's say for sake of argument it's 800.
At 800 being the FC, each perfect is 1240 (b/c each marvelous is 1250).
Keeping my 25 greats, if the rest were perfects, my score for perfects would be ~775 x 1240 = 961000. That alone would give me the AA! D:
It just doesn't add up. This is why I'm confused. D:
Another way of looking at it: 25 greats for four songs means approximately 6 greats per song. Do you realize how few steps there would have to be for that to bar me from getting a AA?
So this is my question. How exactly does the scoring system for nonstop courses work? It's not like regular scoring, or else my 25 greats FC would have gotten me a AA.
At 800 being the FC, each perfect is 1240 (b/c each marvelous is 1250).
Keeping my 25 greats, if the rest were perfects, my score for perfects would be ~775 x 1240 = 961000. That alone would give me the AA! D:
It just doesn't add up. This is why I'm confused. D:
Another way of looking at it: 25 greats for four songs means approximately 6 greats per song. Do you realize how few steps there would have to be for that to bar me from getting a AA?
So this is my question. How exactly does the scoring system for nonstop courses work? It's not like regular scoring, or else my 25 greats FC would have gotten me a AA.
Post #6 · Posted at 2008-09-27 06:31:43am 15.7 years ago
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Quote: BEMANIwiki
各STAGEのDANCE POINT :
* STAGE 1,2 : (総ノート数+総FA数)×3
* STAGE 3,4 : (総ノート数+総FA数)×4
* STAGE 5,6 : (総ノート数+総FA数)×5
* and so on ...
スコア:
* 基本点×(MARVELOUS数+O.K.数) X 3 (STAGE 3,4の際は:X4 , STAGE 5,6の際は:X5 , and so on ...)
* + 基本点×PERFECT数 X 2 (STAGE 3,4の際は:X3 , STAGE 5,6の際は:X4 , and so on ...)
* + 基本点×GREAT数 X 1 (STAGE 3,4の際は:X2 , STAGE 5,6の際は:X3 , and so on ...)
Translated roughly:* STAGE 1,2 : (総ノート数+総FA数)×3
* STAGE 3,4 : (総ノート数+総FA数)×4
* STAGE 5,6 : (総ノート数+総FA数)×5
* and so on ...
スコア:
* 基本点×(MARVELOUS数+O.K.数) X 3 (STAGE 3,4の際は:X4 , STAGE 5,6の際は:X5 , and so on ...)
* + 基本点×PERFECT数 X 2 (STAGE 3,4の際は:X3 , STAGE 5,6の際は:X4 , and so on ...)
* + 基本点×GREAT数 X 1 (STAGE 3,4の際は:X2 , STAGE 5,6の際は:X3 , and so on ...)
Each stages' dance points:
STAGE 1,2: (total notes + freeze arrow) x3
STAGE 3,4: (total notes + freeze arrow) x4
STAGE 5,6: (total notes + freeze arrow) x5
Score:
(Points per dance point)x(Number of MARVELOUS+O.K.) x3 (x4 for stage 3,4; x5 for stage 5,6 and so on...)
+ (Points per dance point)x(Number of PERFECT) x2 (x3 for stage 3,4; x4 for stage 5,6 and so on...)
+ (Points per dance point)x(Number of GREAT) x1 (x2 for stage 3,4; x3 for stage 5,6 and so on...)
Post #7 · Posted at 2008-09-27 06:36:44am 15.7 years ago
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Wait a second... for the second and third lines under the "Score" part, do you mean to have Perfect and Great in place of the Marvelous?
Wait, even with that, I don't really understand how this works. Gah, why did I have to be the stupid one. >_>
Wait, even with that, I don't really understand how this works. Gah, why did I have to be the stupid one. >_>
Post #8 · Posted at 2008-09-27 07:23:29am 15.7 years ago
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Oh oops, rofl, damn my copy and paste.
Post #9 · Posted at 2008-09-29 12:50:23pm 15.7 years ago
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Quote: destructo-bot
Wait, even with that, I don't really understand how this works. Gah, why did I have to be the stupid one. >_>
Okay, on SN2 a Marvelous or OK is worth:
3 DP on stages 1 and 2
4 DP on stages 3 and 4
5 DP on stages 5 and 6
...and so on if there's more than 6 stages.
Perfect is worth 1 DP less than Marvelous.
Great is worth 2 DP less than Marvelous.
NG is worth nothing at all.
The game adds up all the total possible DP across all songs before you even start (call this MaxDP), and keeps a running total of how much DP you've earned (call this CurrentDP).
Every time you hit a step, the game adds the DP earned to the running total, then plugs the new running total into this formula:
1,000,000 * CurrentDP /MaxDP
And that, rounded down to the nearest point, is your score after that step.
A score of 950,000 (95% DP) is a AA.
Post #10 · Posted at 2008-10-13 06:03:06pm 15.6 years ago
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Or in short, the later songs in a non-stop course are weighted to a higher value than those earlier on. So you are probably getting exceptional scores on the earlier songs, but a few too many greats on the last one which brings your sum total down.
Post #11 · Posted at 2008-10-16 10:48:55am 15.6 years ago
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Actually, the difference between a Marvelous and a Great is the exact same (2 DP) on every song. The only difference is, on later stages in SN2, you get bonus points just for hitting the step.
Here's a different way of looking at it:
Timing score for each step:
Marvelous: 3 DP
Perfect: 2 DP
Great: 1 DP
Survival bonus (SN2 only):
0 DP on stages 1 and 2
1 DP per step hit on stages 3 and 4
2 DP per step hit on stages 5 and 6
3 DP per step hit on stages 7 and 8
(And so on...)
95% or higher is a AA. 100% DP (i.e. all Marvelous; all Perfect won't cut it) is a AAA.
To make a long story short, the reason he didn't get a AAA is because everything is rescaled so that a Marvelous is the norm instead of a Perfect. Especially since Extreme and SN don't give points just for hitting steps on later stages.
Here's another way of looking at it, for SN:
A Marvelous in Nonstop is worth the same as a Perfect in normal play.
Perfects and Greats are worth 2/3rds as much in Nonstop compared to normal play.
So, even if you get very few Greats, your Perfects are still bringing your score down.
Frankly, a score of 92+% in Nonstop or Challenge is a really good score in my book.
Here's a different way of looking at it:
Timing score for each step:
Marvelous: 3 DP
Perfect: 2 DP
Great: 1 DP
Survival bonus (SN2 only):
0 DP on stages 1 and 2
1 DP per step hit on stages 3 and 4
2 DP per step hit on stages 5 and 6
3 DP per step hit on stages 7 and 8
(And so on...)
95% or higher is a AA. 100% DP (i.e. all Marvelous; all Perfect won't cut it) is a AAA.
To make a long story short, the reason he didn't get a AAA is because everything is rescaled so that a Marvelous is the norm instead of a Perfect. Especially since Extreme and SN don't give points just for hitting steps on later stages.
Here's another way of looking at it, for SN:
A Marvelous in Nonstop is worth the same as a Perfect in normal play.
Perfects and Greats are worth 2/3rds as much in Nonstop compared to normal play.
So, even if you get very few Greats, your Perfects are still bringing your score down.
Frankly, a score of 92+% in Nonstop or Challenge is a really good score in my book.