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Post #121 · Posted at 2017-11-02 04:09:52am 2.7 weeks ago

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Will a new CEO fix this or is it too late? Otherwise this is stupid.

Post #122 · Posted at 2017-11-02 04:16:34am 2.7 weeks ago

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It would likely help... But this is Japan we're talking about. I find it very unlikely that he'll be stepping down. I've known hopelessness, but this is an entirely new kind I've never experienced before. I hope Konami gets shut down for human rights violations or something (Even though a few discreditations may not qualify, it's in character for them), but even then I see them snaking their way out of that.

Post #123 · Posted at 2017-11-02 04:31:10am 2.7 weeks ago

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The sudden exodus of a lot of Konami's musicians in the past year is starting to make more and more sense now.

Fortunately, there are other music games other than Konami's nowadays for these guys to go to. Maybe some might end up in CrossXBeats, which itself is basically an ex-Konami staff member reunion of sorts.

Post #124 · Posted at 2017-11-02 04:58:45am 2.7 weeks ago

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Post #125 · Posted at 2017-11-02 05:07:48am 2.7 weeks ago

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This is absolutely disgusting.

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say a bunch of older IIDX songs are going to be removed when Cannon Ballers comes out (I know that happens anyway, but I mean even moreso than usual. >>). Who wants to bet this is a big part of why IIDX 25 isn't that huge anniversary game everyone's been wanting?

Post #126 · Posted at 2017-11-02 10:19:20am 2.6 weeks ago

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The coming release of the EDP×beatnation summit 2017-beatnation 10th Anniversary- Blu-ray still have songs credited under the respective artists though I am not sure if the list will change though...

Post #127 · Posted at 2017-11-02 01:24:32pm 2.6 weeks ago

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What's surprising for me is that this didn't even happen when Naoki left Konami (the company removed everything about him except his songs in DDR).
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Post #128 · Posted at 2017-11-02 01:29:20pm 2.6 weeks ago

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Observation: So with Kojima, I recall that Kojima was an actual executive at Konami with a whole department named after him, meaning he must have been pretty high up the corp ladder. Then one or more people even higher than him must've had some issue with him, culminating in his whole entire department, building, and all of the employees he hired going down in flames with him. When Konami chose to censor and cancel stuff, they were doing it to his name and to punish him, not to anyone under him. But I haven't heard of anything directly similar happening to Bemani. If the executive in charge of all happenings at Bemani is endorsing this behavior, then she/he's got an incentive to keep Bemani around (at least the department, if not the employees) or else her/his own job is at risk. And if the exec is being punished the same way as Kojima, then Konami's either being a lot subtler about it this time or they've decided to go around her/him and target the artists instead for some reason. Not sure what to make of this.

Post #129 · Posted at 2017-11-02 01:47:19pm 2.6 weeks ago

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What's surprising for me is that this didn't even happen when Naoki left Konami (the company removed everything about him except his songs in DDR).

Problem is they can't remove all of his songs, he's done too many at this point.
Case in point, here's the list of aliases he's used (so yes, ALL of these names are him):
NAOKI - Main alias.
NAOKI underground - Used mostly for hard techno songs like INSERTiON and tokyoEVOLVED.
NAOKI J-STYLE - Used for Kiss me all night long.
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NMR runners
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190 - PARANOiA MAX (Dirty Mix)
190' - PARANOiA Rebirth
200 - PARANOiA Evolution
270 - PARANOiA survivor
290 - PARANOiA survivor MAX
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Z - MAXX Unlimited
ZZ - The Legend of MAX
DE-SIRE - (Trip machine series)
DE-SIRE改 (DE-SIRE alterative) - (Trip Machine Phoenix)
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Post #130 · Posted at 2017-11-02 01:53:49pm 2.6 weeks ago

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^ I think the argument is that they could have replaced all those aliases with "Bemani Sound Team", but they left them untouched. They wouldn't delete the actual songs (they make too much profit from them).

Post #131 · Posted at 2017-11-02 04:39:27pm 2.6 weeks ago

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Yeah that was my point. I guess Naoki's songs are too iconic to be removed, since most of the DDR songs that people remember usually remember are Dancemania licenses (like butterfly) and Naoki songs (B4U comes to mind)

Naoki is, after all, one of the most known artists in the franchise, and removing his name would be basically removing part of what's the identity of DDR.
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Post #132 · Posted at 2017-11-14 05:42:14am 6.8 days ago

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I guess we're back to crediting artists now...?

Post #133 · Posted at 2017-11-14 05:49:43am 6.8 days ago

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This is a really good site to see. Hopefully whatever conflict there was is now resolved. Won't be 100% convinced until we get new content that's not under BEMANI Sound Team.
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Post #134 · Posted at 2017-11-14 08:12:38am 6.7 days ago

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I noticed that on the fansite, late last night, but I didn't want to make a comment because 1. I'm not familiar with a good chunk of the songs, which leads me to 2. I wasn't sure if those songs were released before this whole mess even started.

That being said, we'll find out for sure if this has been resolved once Cannon Ballers comes out, especially if we see hidden/secret songs... if we see any.

Post #135 · Posted at 2017-11-14 01:22:29pm 6.5 days ago

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I noticed that on the fansite, late last night, but I didn't want to make a comment because 1. I'm not familiar with a good chunk of the songs, which leads me to 2. I wasn't sure if those songs were released before this whole mess even started
All of them were indeed released before the whole BEMANI Sound Team thing started, yes.

Personally I don't think that this is indicative of anything (maybe they just determined to not mess with credits for older songs), but we'll see.

Post #136 · Posted at 2017-11-14 02:15:45pm 6.5 days ago

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Well, the song ranking for last month scrubbed artist names for in-house artists and this one at the very least credits PON, L.E.D. (T.Kakuta) and Akhuta for their songs this time.

Post #137 · Posted at 2017-11-15 05:57:51am 5.8 days ago

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so, on the announcement image for the next set of songs for the Ω Dimension event:
TWO-TORIAL / BEMANI Sound Team (PHQUASE vs DJ TOTTO)
hm...

Post #138 · Posted at 2017-11-15 06:06:37am 5.8 days ago

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TWO-TORIAL was announced at this year's EDP as being a collaboration between PHQUASE and TOTTO so I don't know why they even bothered with the Sound Team this time ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Post #139 · Posted at 2017-11-15 10:13:15am 5.6 days ago

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