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Konami/Bemani and Artists conflicts.

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Post #1 · Publicado en 2017-10-20 08:29:12pm Hace 6.4 años

Offline DJjeff2010
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Figured I'd make a thread about this since this has been a growing concern throughout the community right now. Does anybody know what the situation is that's happening? The Bemani fanpage being stripped of artist info, artists having their names removed from song jackets in recent artwork popping up, news of sexual harrassment going on during Benama. Whats going on?

Post #2 · Publicado en 2017-10-20 10:32:28pm Hace 6.4 años

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Nobody knows.
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Post #3 · Publicado en 2017-10-20 11:09:21pm Hace 6.4 años

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According to AIJ(Aaron in japan): "Things are a total mess right now. A few months ago there was a conflict over the artists wanting control over their own works while Konami wants total control since the content was made for Konami. Internal strife and conflict as the company divided into even more subdivisions, the CEO is rapidly losing his mind (anyone that has dealt with Kagemasa in recent times says he's different, and not in a good way), and the usual fun. It feels like the exec are using the company lawyers against their own staff right now."

Post #4 · Publicado en 2017-10-20 11:14:32pm Hace 6.4 años

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What's the source of that?

Post #5 · Publicado en 2017-10-20 11:15:57pm Hace 6.4 años

Offline DJjeff2010
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Me and him were discussing things and it's all coming from him, he's close to all this over there and he has a lot of sources that he gets info from. He cannot disclose some things but he's the best source of info for this stuff.

Post #6 · Publicado en 2017-10-20 11:38:46pm Hace 6.4 años

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Whatever is happening, hope things get resolved. This could be catastrophic for Bemani's future.

Post #7 · Publicado en 2017-10-21 12:07:31am Hace 6.4 años

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The fuck happened to the CEO? Did he get crazy or something?

Post #8 · Publicado en 2017-10-21 12:25:16am Hace 6.4 años

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The current CEO always had issues because he knows nothing about video games, he only knows how to run a business and he only see's Konami as a business and could care less about the fans nor the people in his company as long as they're making him money. And with all this shit going on, I'm not surprised he's losing his mind. It's also the reason the company is branching off into divisions. It's also the major reason why Kojima had so many problems with Konami and his inevitable departure from them. It's a bad cluster of problems that have been repeating themselves and it's finally starting to catch up to them. I fear for Bemani's future as well with the state of things. Also for everyone who doesn't know about the Kojima issues and the state of things at the time, check out this video from Super Bunnyhop: this video also mentions Bemani as well.

Post #9 · Publicado en 2017-10-21 12:42:13am Hace 6.4 años

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So basically it's the CEO's fault for ruining Konami. I hope I'm wrong.

Post #10 · Publicado en 2017-10-21 12:43:38am Hace 6.4 años

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I'd say under these circumstances, yes.

Post #11 · Publicado en 2017-10-21 12:53:48am Hace 6.4 años

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The current CEO always had issues because he knows nothing about video games, he only knows how to run a business and he only see's Konami as a business and could care less about the fans nor the people in his company as long as they're making him money.
Shouldn't anyone who "knows how to run a business" know that customers' and employees' happiness are #1? Sounds like he doesn't know how to run a business at all; "get as much money as possible" might be the most short-sighted of all short-sighted goals.

Post #12 · Publicado en 2017-10-21 01:05:22am Hace 6.4 años

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I guess bad working practices at Konami Japan are continuing and one can only assume the BEMANI team has had enough.

A Google search for "Konami working practices" brings up multiple articles from a few years ago.

I do hope this isn't the end for BEMANI...

Post #13 · Publicado en 2017-10-21 01:19:57am Hace 6.4 años

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That thing about the copyright dispute reminds me that the only reason L.E.D. and Sota could appear on kors k's latest album was if Konami still had the copyright to their songs (in other words, Konami has the rights to Cyber True Color and Venom, as opposed to S2TB like all the other songs). I imagine the two of them weren't pleased to have to do that.

Post #14 · Publicado en 2017-10-21 01:45:46am Hace 6.4 años

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In all honesty (and I get that this may be an unpopular opinion), I kinda hope we get this mass exodus in a similar fashion to Kojima Productions, where they leave Konami, and start their own independent studio where they make new games that are targeted for a worldwide market.

Of course, this might be a more complicated situation than that, but I truly believe everyone at Bemani, be it a composer/graphic designer/programmer/etc, deserve much better.

Post #15 · Publicado en 2017-10-21 02:31:00am Hace 6.4 años

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I feel like this is too large a scale for a Kojima Productions thing to happen. That would mean the entire staff of, what, 10 games? all leaving and starting their own thing. Plus, that would be pretty damaging to their other game series that use Bemani artists like PES.

Post #16 · Publicado en 2017-10-21 02:45:14am Hace 6.4 años

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Holy shit. Somehow the strained relations between the CEO and his staff like Kojima contributed to the cancellation of Silent Hills. Could other BEMANI fixtures such as pop'n music, jubeat, REFLEC BEAT, GITADORA (GuitarFreaks and DrumMania), and beatmaniaIIDX, along with the upcoming game DANCE RUSH/DANCE GENERATIONS/Shuffle Dancerz/STEPSTAR (if indeed it happens at all) be affected as well?

Post #17 · Publicado en 2017-10-21 03:04:15am Hace 6.4 años

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I think worse case scenario is that the members of the Bemani division all pack up and leave Konami, but if that were to happen I hope that Bemani can continue in some form, even if that means Bemani artists mass exodus to CROSSxBEATS which already seems to be a sort of Bemani retirement home.

Post #18 · Publicado en 2017-10-21 03:08:14am Hace 6.4 años

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I feel bad for HuMer and SYUNN who were just new recent additions to the in-house artist line up and this happened.

Post #19 · Publicado en 2017-10-21 03:09:38am Hace 6.4 años

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I feel bad for HuMer and SYUNN who were just new recent additions to the in-house artist line up and this happened.
Maybe if Bemani really does fold, HuMer can go back to his old 8284 alias and do BMS stuff again.

Post #20 · Publicado en 2017-10-21 04:00:55am Hace 6.4 años

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"konami wanting control over artists' creation" not surprised, they probably don't want to remove a huge chunk of songs like they with DDR X, or lose something like Brain Power again.
Of course, this is probably 99% not the case, and is something much worse.

If BEMANI does die, at least we Stepmania, PIU, and other games we have on mobile.
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