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Post #81 · Posted at 2018-01-19 01:51:16am 6.1 years ago

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Look at every other KAC and look at how the rules have changed. Your interpretation of why the rules have changed for an exhibition event at a Japanese amusement expo when they haven't been in direct favor to other countries besides their own shows that it's not Konami that's "screwing the players over", it's you thinking that and getting upset over your own rationale. Especially considering how HEAVILY the rules favor Japan participation in every other game.
ok so then why would they still invite Korean, and American players in the first place even smh

Post #82 · Posted at 2018-01-19 01:52:24am 6.1 years ago

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Whoever wins, the US loses anyway.

That's the Konami way.

Post #83 · Posted at 2018-01-19 03:15:49am 6.1 years ago

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ok so then why would they still invite Korean, and American players in the first place even smh

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expo
Based in Japan catered to Japan but open to international markets. JAEPO is for the arcade industry, so you gotta expect them to sell to their main market first while simultaneously trying to appeal to foreign companies.

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You're literally responding to a calm and collected response to each of your points and just taking the piss in response while implying you have some massive insight into the minds of everyone. "You r mad hurrhurr" is not making you look smart.

"Where have they successfully boosted competitive interest? Is it in Japan?"
"Scapegoat excuse, nice."
"Thank god for the EXTRA EXCLUSIVE tournament after KAC. And... really? The "you're just salty that your favourite players are at a disadvantage" excuse? That's such a dumb argument."

You were quick(man) to snap at me so I responded in kind. If my initial tone offended you then we can both dial it back and get on track to a more civil and productive discussion.

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It would be helpful if you actually had any evidence towards the meet and greets or you having AcCuRaTe InSiGhT
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DO YOU HAVE A SINGLE FACT TO BACK UP YOUR CLAIMS, OR ARE YOU JUST SPECULATING AND GUESSING AT WHAT'S GOING ON LIKE THE OTHERS

I happened to pass by one when I visited Tokyo and they even did one two months ago. These events were welcome to all players and encouraged newbies/beginners/people interested in DDR. Their livestream is even called DDR 交流会, literally meaning social exchange.

Edit: Just wanted to put out there that while Round 1 hosted these events know that Konami and Round 1 have held official events together (Round 1 IIDX 頂上決戦 2017 with DOLCE.) before the DDR Meet & Greet/Social Exchanges were becoming an organized event. Konami's interest in IIDX as an eSport (whatever that means by them) and their encouraging livestreamed corporate arcade events makes it kinda hard to argue against the idea that in 2017 Konami has tried to encourage more Japanese participation in their games.


http://ddrcommunity.com/round1-japan-national-event-results-with-qa/




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Post #84 · Posted at 2018-01-19 11:52:07am 6.1 years ago

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What are these videos? They look like people just... playing the game? Is it just like a gathering event?
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Post #85 · Posted at 2018-01-19 01:23:09pm 6.1 years ago

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Highlighting this snippet from my post in response to that...

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Their livestream is even called DDR 交流会, literally meaning social exchange.

The photos in the DDR Community article show flyers for the DDR social exchange "tournament". In Ikebukuro it was posted at the front of their Round 1 and they rearranged their music game floor and everything to accommodate the event. I believe there was an RSVP/signup for the event or something but I never really bothered.

The "tournament" itself (from what I saw) wasn't that cutthroat and was nowhere near proper traditional DDR tournament format. One round had players playing PSMO, another had players playing some level 11 difficult and getting an A+ or something (I wasn't involved since I was playing IIDX right around the corner). After the broadcast, they allowed players to socialize and actually try to pull in newcomers.

(Edit: Come to think of it I think the players playing PSMO agreed to it because it was their match, however most other rounds were very low level and definitely not auto-AAAs)

If I had to compare it to something, I'd say this was like getting newcomers into Super Smash Bros by holding a 4 stock no time limit tournament, items on with four players playing free for all.

Post #86 · Posted at 2018-01-27 07:48:51am 6.1 years ago

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https://twitter.com/echospherics/status/957081712684515328
Rule change for DDR Finals: 10/9/8/7 points for 1st to 4th place on each song (effectively the same as 3/2/1/0); in the event of tie at the end, EX Score total determines the winner.
Looks like Konami can do one thing right.
Also Zerowolf and HO4-KETI just got through East Japan finals. Zero surprises, the two had significantly better qualifier score than everyone else.

Post #87 · Posted at 2018-01-28 12:58:41am 6.1 years ago

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There's a lot of negativity in this thread over people misunderstanding the purpose (for Konami) and KAC. As if you guys think Konami actually treats this as a legitimate tournament and that these rules aren't just to make viewership more exciting to exhibit their product.

So much complaining about "Well if they want Japan to win so bad..." without considering that compared to last year Konami has successfully boosted competitive interest in DDR (not just with KAC but their other events throughout Japan like DDR meet & greets). Caring more for the event than the actual competitors who seem to appreciate this event as a celebration of DDR with a "high stakes exhibition match" that brings players from all around the world together.

I'd hope that you guys take a step back, rethink the purpose of KAC and realize the "Championship" is a little bit of a hyperbole to motivate and hype up their games.

It's obvious for an experienced enough player that the community would know how to throw a legitimate tournament better than the official company most of the time. So try to avoid the shit slinging and negativity at a company because you don't like how they're marketing the game less in favor for your favorite players. I'm sure it kinda bothers the top rankers but I've noticed they're significantly less bothered than everyone else which may be for good reason. Maybe they just see this is a good thing that DDR isn't dead and that Konami is just doing their thing to keep the game going for many more years to come.

they dont want changes. they just want USA to win, also most of the complainants here are like they are the one will compete in the KAC. lets go back to DDR EXTREME!

Post #88 · Posted at 2018-01-28 01:21:24am 6.1 years ago

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they dont want changes.
Because literally every single one of the changes has screwed over NA while leaving other regions untouched (or giving them a boost).

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they just want USA to win
Because if you ignore the region a player lives in and go by skill alone, it's NA that loses out on by far the most competitors. It's not like there should be any negative correlation between region and skill. We're not looking for an unfair advantage; we're trying to even the playing field.

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also most of the complainants here are like they are the one will compete in the KAC.
How's that an argument? We're not allowed to say a rule is fair or unfair unless that rule specifically affects us?

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lets go back to DDR EXTREME!
said no Konami marketing director ever. Or anyone in this thread for that matter.

Post #89 · Posted at 2018-01-28 05:17:26am 6.1 years ago

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On a lighter note, the DDR regional semifinals just concluded, with HO4-KETI, ZEROWOLF, and YUDAI advancing to the finals.

BROSONI may not be going to the finals for the first time ever, but he proposed to his girlfriend after the semifinals and she said yes!!

Post #90 · Posted at 2018-01-28 09:43:02am 6.1 years ago

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they dont want changes.
Because literally every single one of the changes has screwed over NA while leaving other regions untouched (or giving them a boost).

Quote: joseph376
they just want USA to win
Because if you ignore the region a player lives in and go by skill alone, it's NA that loses out on by far the most competitors. It's not like there should be any negative correlation between region and skill. We're not looking for an unfair advantage; we're trying to even the playing field.

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also most of the complainants here are like they are the one will compete in the KAC.
How's that an argument in any way? We're not allowed to say a rule is fair or unfair unless that rule specifically affects us?

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lets go back to DDR EXTREME!
said no Konami marketing director ever. Or anyone in this thread for that matter.

Whats ur point?lol hahaha konami screwed NA?did chris fungah or any candidates complaint and konami ignored them? Or is it just u who are experts in everything complaining?did u really know why japan has semis?Whatever. Keep complaining.

Post #91 · Posted at 2018-01-28 02:04:05pm 6.1 years ago

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Post #92 · Posted at 2018-01-28 02:17:04pm 6.1 years ago

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BROSONI may not be going to the finals for the first time ever, but he proposed to his girlfriend after the semifinals and she said yes!!

Kudos to BROSONI for getting hitched!Very Happy

Post #93 · Posted at 2018-01-28 02:37:34pm 6.1 years ago

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BROSONI may not be going to the finals for the first time ever, but he proposed to his girlfriend after the semifinals and she said yes!!

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Post #94 · Posted at 2018-01-28 03:54:34pm 6.1 years ago

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Kudos to Brosoni for having balls to do this at an official corporate event. It was probably discussed with the staff before, but still. Shame he choked on OTP.
About Japanese finals themselves, I'm really surprised participants decided to pick 19s and some of the hardest 18s in both finals. Awarding points for placement made EX total difference no longer relevant outside ties at the end, all they needed was finding some 17s and easier 18s they could consistently MA in tournament setting and grinding them to oblivion (by their standards). Especially someone like YOSHIMIZ, who picked OTP and scored the worst out of everyone on it.
Congratulations to YUDAI for beating Brosoni fair and square, but his MA is too bad to accomplish much at KAC (see his qualifying set more than twice as bad as Brosoni's, or his winning 2127 OTP compared to Chris's 2248 on Idola tournament from a year ago). The biggest impact one of the four remaining players will have in the final round is indirectly deciding who out of Chris, Jeff and FEFEMZ will win based on his song pick.

Post #95 · Posted at 2018-01-28 05:35:29pm 6.1 years ago

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Quote: RandomUser_Trigger_H
There's a lot of negativity in this thread over people misunderstanding the purpose (for Konami) and KAC. As if you guys think Konami actually treats this as a legitimate tournament and that these rules aren't just to make viewership more exciting to exhibit their product.

So much complaining about "Well if they want Japan to win so bad..." without considering that compared to last year Konami has successfully boosted competitive interest in DDR (not just with KAC but their other events throughout Japan like DDR meet & greets). Caring more for the event than the actual competitors who seem to appreciate this event as a celebration of DDR with a "high stakes exhibition match" that brings players from all around the world together.

I'd hope that you guys take a step back, rethink the purpose of KAC and realize the "Championship" is a little bit of a hyperbole to motivate and hype up their games.

It's obvious for an experienced enough player that the community would know how to throw a legitimate tournament better than the official company most of the time. So try to avoid the shit slinging and negativity at a company because you don't like how they're marketing the game less in favor for your favorite players. I'm sure it kinda bothers the top rankers but I've noticed they're significantly less bothered than everyone else which may be for good reason. Maybe they just see this is a good thing that DDR isn't dead and that Konami is just doing their thing to keep the game going for many more years to come.

they dont want changes. they just want USA to win, also most of the complainants here are like they are the one will compete in the KAC. lets go back to DDR EXTREME!

What the fuck are you saying?
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Post #96 · Posted at 2018-01-28 07:03:30pm 6.1 years ago

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What exactly determined that only 1 player from the West finals would advance? (as opposed to 2 players from the East finals getting to advance)

Post #97 · Posted at 2018-01-28 09:38:31pm 6.1 years ago

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What the fuck are you saying?

I think he's trying to say that people are only complaining because they personally want the U.S. to win and that they have no right to complain if they're not personally competing in KAC. Neither of those things are valid points, obviously.
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Post #98 · Posted at 2018-01-28 10:05:04pm 6.1 years ago

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Surprised to see that YUDAI pulled an upset and BROSONI lost.

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What exactly determined that only 1 player from the West finals would advance? (as opposed to 2 players from the East finals getting to advance)
Of the top 3 Japan players who entered the qualifiers, 2 were from East Japan and 1 was from West Japan.

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Whats ur point?
That it's fair for NA to be complaining about the rule changes. What did you think it was?

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lol hahaha konami screwed NA?
Yes. Yes they did.

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did chris fungah or any candidates complaint and konami ignored them?
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Yes. Yes they did.

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Or is it just u who are experts in everything complaining?
No, it's not just us complaining, and
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How's that an argument? We're not allowed to say a rule is fair or unfair unless that rule specifically affects us?

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did u really know why japan has semis?
No. Enlighten us, please.

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Whatever. Keep complaining.
oh ok

Post #99 · Posted at 2018-01-28 10:18:21pm 6.1 years ago

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Post #100 · Posted at 2018-01-28 10:32:17pm 6.1 years ago

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What exactly determined that only 1 player from the West finals would advance? (as opposed to 2 players from the East finals getting to advance)
Maybe it had to do with the overall scores of East Japan vs. West Japan? I'm not really sure myself, but there's a sharper drop in prelim scores from the top West players vs the top East (all of the East semifinalists were in the top 20).
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