Future of simfile competitions

I like the idea of War Games, I guess. Just a couple things that I'd change. For one, having "leaders" is... eugh.

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I think I'd switch out the ToI and the Sim Shuffle for one year. Here's what I'd do:

- War Games II. Not sure how I'd tweak it, but it'd need to be tweaked. If we're not having leaders, have the groups set up through private Discord groups or something?
- Replace the ToI with a one-shot tournament. You get ONE file, but you get a month to make it the best damn file you can.

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Yo, I would be down for this one. This sounds like a fun concept.

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A: To be fair, no one is stopping you from doing a contest. One thing I've thought about doing is starting TOI in February, SC in April-late July, and then having another tournament style playoff in late July, early August that would be the top 16 or so users playing to see who wins SC. This way there will be some interests in the later rounds and we would be done by the time school starts for people. Feed back on this idea is welcomed. I do want to try something new but I don't want to change something and then everyone ends up hating it.

B: The reason - is a rule is because then people are not just uploading 800 step only charts. I also want to have consistency with songs. However I will think about changing this rule.

C: I would in fact love to do this idea so it would knock out any bias for votes. The problem being I have no idea how this would work on ZIv, and users can't use SC as a stepping stone for their other files. If there's a way to do this, I'd be all up for it. The other issue with this is if someone really likes the file and wants to see more of what that artist has, how can they do that if they don't know? My only guess being the simfile artists are shown once voting is done.

-Already covered.

-War Games was a good idea but it turned into a wreck and it would need some tweaking. Maybe change it where it's more of a battle royal where after each week, the bottom 10% are knocked out and each week it's chopped down until we get to the last 2. That could work, but I think someone else might have to run it. I don't have the free time I did in 2010.

Or what I could do is do this battle royal idea to see who will admin SC, then do TOI as a playoff to see who wins Summer Contest. (The more I think about this, the more I'm liking it).

Late Febuary-March: Battle Royal
April-June: Summer Contest
July-August: TOI (Summer Contest playoff) Very strongly considering this idea.

-Everything felt longer last year because we started way later than normal. TOI might end up having a qualifier round and only the top 16 or so advance. This way the qualifier round gets quite chaotic but in a good way. It would also make TOI much shorter.

-Mostly we've had someone do stock graphics if you could not make your own. However I do see the idea that at least having something is better than nothing. If all else fails, someone else can make graphics for you.

-Voting bias was something I feared about when I started the contest in 2010. The sad thing is that's kind of that nature of the beast and again, if there was away to do anonymous simfiles, I would be all for it.

-I do want to bring back War Games but that was a contest that was confusing as hell and I'm partly ashamed that it went down as sloppy as it it did. I'm trying to forget my mistakes.

I'm glad to see people asking questions and putting in ideas in wanting make simfile contests better. I want to make them the best they can be, so the feed back is very welcomed. I'll look into making some changes for future contests.

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A SOLUTION. (but mind you, it's a djxyz solution, and that means it's either a big hit or a big miss)
1. You are required to step one chart within the difficulty range of, e.g. 6 to 9 on the classic scale.Users are advised to not give you points if said file is not accurately within this range.
2. You are required to have TWO charts per simfile. They can be of any difficulty, though the recommended is Difficult and Expert.
3. These two files should not be similar in difficulty. So no uploading a 7 on Expert, and then an 8 Challenge that's the same file with shock arrows.

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If there's concerns about uploading ridiculously hard simfiles (something like Braeden47's Sharaku , I still can't pass that lol), at the very minimum can continue to be a required difficulty. Lately I've been looking at all of the charts as well as the and available charts. Still not sure about .

Also, one can always use 0.9/0.8/etc. music rate to make stamina-inducing files a bit easier. :P

As for anonymity, this is precisely what I was thinking;

June 5th: Contest starts, people send Round 1 files to a third party
June 12th: Round 2 starts, third party uploads all of the round 1 files and people PM them votes and Round 2 files.
June 19th: The results are revealed, including who stepped what and also who voted for what. Round 3 starts. People PM the third party Round 3 files and Round 2 votes.

Repeat.

Also, I came up with an interesting idea for a simfile contest that could also determine the two hosts for SC, I'll propose it once Simfile Shuffle ends.

Gonna add my two cents here:

- I agree with keeping the and requirement for the same reasons Pandemonium X and Lisek have already stated.

- I think most people are honest when they vote, so I don't see anonymous uploads/anonymous voting as really necessary. There's only a couple of cases I can think of where someone blatantly wasn't voting honestly anyways (*cough* simfile shuffle, and even in that case that person was voting solely on the song and not by who's winning/who stepped what. Anonymous voting doesn't do anything to prevent people from just voting on the song and not the steps.)

- Seeing a new kind of simfile contest would be great just to keep things interesting. Too bad I don't really have any good ideas for a new contest or else I'd throw some ideas out.

- I wasn't around for War Games and I haven't looked at the thread to see what it was about, so I can't comment on that. Sounds like it was probably way more convoluted and confusing than it needed to be based on the comments I'm seeing in this thread.


+1 to this. 8 rounds sounds like a good reasonable number. This would also make more room for a potential 4th contest.


+1, but ONLY if SC itself is reduced to 8 weeks. Otherwise if there's 12 weeks of SC and then another 4 weeks of playoffs that's just overkill.

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I'm ok with and staying, but look at them. If they're required, then when people vote, / shouldn't be the only two that ever get looked at. If it's a simfile contest, you judge the whole file, not parts of it. I didn't make those lower charts so they could collect dust and do nothing, at least acknowledge that they exist. [/vent]

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You'll get fuck all people voting if that happens. And then you factor in the occassional doubles charts...

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Also in favor of this. Perhaps with a judging panel, even? (In addition to popular vote.)

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I feel like 8 might be too short, but 10 would be a good number. That way if you start in May, the tournament part of it would start in July and would rap up at the start of August (give or take a week or two depending on how many are in TOI). This gives around 3 months for the contest.

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A judging panel sounds great! Only question is how much would the panel's opinion be weighted vs. the popular vote?

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Hard to know in advance what's appropriate, but my first impulse is to Eurovision it - 50% judges, 50% popular.

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Tel there, invoking Oni's Second Law: if it's good enough for Eurovision, it's good enough for me.

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It's very accurate to Eurovision too, we just all vote for the countries with the prettiest flag.

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