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Post #5441 · Posted at 2017-10-13 07:08:36pm 6.5 years ago

Offline wrsw
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"Sleep cancelled due to COVID-19."
I don't think ENDYMION really needs a longer version though, it feels like a complete song.

Then again, a lot of other 'long version' DDR songs have short versions that sound like a complete song.

I really don't know what wizardry DDR artists do to make song cuts that don't feel like cuts, the short versions always sound like complete songs

Post #5442 · Posted at 2017-10-13 07:41:28pm 6.5 years ago

Offline NewbStepper
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Does anybody have a list of food featured in the results screen? Y'know just for the heck of it.
I don't know if I remember all the reference foods, but here's what I do remember.

Peanut - 5kcal
Tangerine - 30kcal
Grapes - 50kcal
Kiwi - 60kcal
Banana - 70kcal
Egg - 85kcal
Apple - 100kcal
Milk - 120kcal
Ball with pickled plum - 150kcal
Pudding - 200kcal
Rice - 220kcal
Daifukumochi - 235kcal
Cream puff - 250kcal
Beef stew - 280kcal
Cake - 300kcal
Fried chicken - 330kcal
Pork cutlet - 355kcal
Pizza - 400kcal
Shrimp pilaf - 430kcal
Ramen - 450kcal
Gomoku fried rice - 505kcal
Hamburger - 550kcal
Spaghetti carbonara - 570kcal
Chicken & eggs bowl - 600kcal
Beef bowl - 620kcal
Pork curry & rice - 700kcal
Omelette rice - 740kcal
Hashed rice - 870kcal
Pork cutlet rice bowl - 900kcal
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Post #5443 · Posted at 2017-10-13 08:05:56pm 6.5 years ago

Offline SomethingRandom
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Quote: wrsw
I don't think ENDYMION really needs a longer version though, it feels like a complete song.

Then again, a lot of other 'long version' DDR songs have short versions that sound like a complete song.

I really don't know what wizardry DDR artists do to make song cuts that don't feel like cuts, the short versions always sound like complete songs
Poseidon (kors k remix) would LOVE to have a word with you

Post #5444 · Posted at 2017-10-13 08:50:41pm 6.5 years ago

Offline wrsw
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"Sleep cancelled due to COVID-19."
Okay, maybe not all of them.

But most of them do.

Post #5445 · Posted at 2017-10-13 11:08:20pm 6.5 years ago

Offline 500MASTER
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"I'm a fucking idiot"
Quote: wrsw
I don't think ENDYMION really needs a longer version though, it feels like a complete song.

Then again, a lot of other 'long version' DDR songs have short versions that sound like a complete song.

I really don't know what wizardry DDR artists do to make song cuts that don't feel like cuts, the short versions always sound like complete songs
I've always thought they made a long version of the song, and after completing and exporting it, proceeded to cut it down to a DDR-friendly size in the same sitting. Since they have access to the song's source, construction, and composition, I don't see why they wouldn't cut it down in whatever program they're using to make the song so it doesn't sound like a clumsy Audacity cut. I think that applies to most electronically-made ones, anyway. For others (The Least 333sec. > The Least 100sec.) I think they just make the entire track again. Those two songs sound relatively different.
That's totally speculation, though.

Post #5446 · Posted at 2017-10-13 11:25:25pm 6.5 years ago

Offline Quickman
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Tbh I've always felt like the short version comes first. The longer versions, sadly, just tend to be "the short version but with an extra chorus and maybe a breakdown".
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Approximately nobody asked for this song to be included. Least popular decision by the Japanese since Nintendo released the Wii U.
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Post #5447 · Posted at 2017-10-13 11:33:35pm 6.5 years ago

Offline mageman17
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Quote: 500MASTER
Quote: wrsw
I don't think ENDYMION really needs a longer version though, it feels like a complete song.

Then again, a lot of other 'long version' DDR songs have short versions that sound like a complete song.

I really don't know what wizardry DDR artists do to make song cuts that don't feel like cuts, the short versions always sound like complete songs
I've always thought they made a long version of the song, and after completing and exporting it, proceeded to cut it down to a DDR-friendly size in the same sitting. Since they have access to the song's source, construction, and composition, I don't see why they wouldn't cut it down in whatever program they're using to make the song so it doesn't sound like a clumsy Audacity cut. I think that applies to most electronically-made ones, anyway. For others (The Least 333sec. > The Least 100sec.) I think they just make the entire track again. Those two songs sound relatively different.
That's totally speculation, though.

Adding to this one. You cannot get the DDR version of decade by cutting down the kors k album version of the song.
http://i.imgur.com/wX5XjLU.png

Thank you so much, Lord Toon!

Post #5448 · Posted at 2017-10-14 12:03:54am 6.5 years ago

Offline wrsw
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"Sleep cancelled due to COVID-19."
Fair enough, I'm pretty sure for any actual musician (no matter what medium of music they use), it's easier to completely re-compose an entire piece of music then it is to cut parts of the music out - so in fact they probably DID just compose two entirely different versions of the same piece.

Post #5449 · Posted at 2017-10-14 05:34:04am 6.5 years ago

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Adding to this one. You cannot get the DDR version of decade by cutting down the kors k album version of the song.

As a side note, very few of the extended versions of kors k’s songs sound like cuts of the game version. A lot of them sound like remixes. But that’s just a side note...

Post #5450 · Posted at 2017-10-15 04:11:24pm 6.5 years ago

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I wonder if there's a full version of Poochie out there...
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Post #5451 · Posted at 2017-10-15 04:28:34pm 6.5 years ago

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I second wanting to hear a full version of Poochie.
deez nuts

Post #5452 · Posted at 2017-10-15 05:33:00pm 6.5 years ago

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I hope this EDSM (23~44 sec) will be playable in future. I'm loving it.
I'm a bug/glitch explorer Devil

Post #5453 · Posted at 2017-10-17 01:43:14am 6.5 years ago

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Last updated: 2017-10-22 03:10am
After almost 6 weeks, we've gotten new information on Endymion D-Challenge!



...2 steps worth of new information. Tongue

It took more than a month of attempts, but legendary Doubles player TAKASKE has finally become the first person to complete the first 440 BPM section, making it up to the 880 BPM section's pad transition. This is enough to reveal the first two non-4th notes of the section right afterward. Check out TAKASKE's Twitter for all the loads and loads of attempts that kept failing during that 440 BPM stream, including multiple -4 lives there. Note that there's 2 crossovers there (same as Singles), but they're both wider than Singles crossovers can ever get!

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Interesting bit: This could have been figured out 2+ weeks ago, but we can already take an educated guess at all of the rhythm differences between S-Challenge and D-Challenge.
- We know that Singles has 953 scoring items (925 steps & 28 freezes), while Doubles has 930 scoring items. Doubles must be missing 23 scoring items in total.
- Just comparing both charts up to the 880 BPM section, Doubles is already missing 13 steps.
- Comparing the CUT1 of both charts after that point, Doubles has 2 extra freezes and is missing 2 more steps. These are the two extra 4th notes that signaled the whole "12ths at 440 BPM" section in Singles.
- Based on that and the fact that Doubles tends to remove the most 'extreme' notes of a stepchart compared to Singles, we can remove the two extra 12ths in the section above and the eight 8ths in the ending jumpstream.
- This comes out to a difference of exactly 23 scoring items. There's no room for Doubles to remove any more steps.

That means, if the guesses above are correct, the rhythm of Doubles is exactly [what we've already seen up to 880 BPM] plus [Singles' identical rhythm from there onward] minus [the ridiculous 12ths and jumpstream 8ths at the end of Singles]. Notably, this includes:
- 4 measures of 440 BPM 8ths feat. 2 crossovers (2 in Singles) (seen & cleared by TAKASKE)
- 4 measures of 880 BPM 4ths feat. 1 crossover (0 in Singles) (seen & failed by TAKASKE)
- 2 measures of 440 BPM 8ths feat. 2 crossovers in Singles
- 3 measures of 440 BPM 8ths feat. 2 crossovers in Singles
- 8 measures of 440 BPM 8ths feat. 3 crossovers in Singles

Doubles naturally tends to have more crossovers than Singles (e.g. Egoism 440 D-Challenge's super-ridiculous ending stream has 4 crossovers compared to S-Challenge's 0), and the last time TAKASKE tried doing 8th crossovers at 440 BPM we saw a -1 life or worse on every one. The above measures alone would conceivably amount to between -10 and -13 lives.

We're probably almost definitely going to see another Over The "Period" D-Challenge where no one can clear the chart on Extra Stage even when it's playable every credit, and the full chart isn't revealed until it's downgraded all the way to normal play.


...I should make another prediction video for Endymion D-Challenge Very Happy

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edit: Did some lookups and I'm a dumbo who obviously didn't grasp the sheer difficulty cliff between Singles 19s and Doubles 19s. Over The "Period" S-Challenge's been AAA FC'd with a single Good, while it looks like the WR on Over The "Period" D-Challenge is ~34 misses and a 903k score. And Konami expected someone to LIFE4 clear that? And now Konami expects someone to both LIFE4 clear and AA this, so they can get a shot at PFC'ing what comes afterward?!

edit #2: Fixed some of the numbers above. Didn't even notice that Doubles added a crossover into the 880 BPM section Shocked.

If it turns out that EndymionChallenge does lead into Ace For AcesHeavy, then Ace For Aces D-Heavy will have the dubious record of "least amount of chart known before first difficulty downgrade, at 0%".

edit #3: I'm a bigger dumbo who made a counting mistake while trying to figure out the possible rhythm differences between Singles and Doubles. Struck out a bunch of wrong conclusions. See this updated post.

Post #5454 · Posted at 2017-10-17 09:15:36pm 6.5 years ago

Offline AxelWasHere
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yeah okay that speed up. YEAH OKAY. WTF
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Post #5455 · Posted at 2017-10-18 01:31:07am 6.5 years ago

Post #5456 · Posted at 2017-10-18 02:23:05am 6.5 years ago

Offline wrsw
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"Sleep cancelled due to COVID-19."

Last updated: 2017-10-18 02:35am
Quote: Zowayix
If it turns out that EndymionChallenge does lead into Ace For AcesHeavy, then Ace For Aces D-Heavy will have the dubious record of "least amount of chart known before first difficulty downgrade, at 0%".

In case you haven't noticed, we currently have 0% of ACE FOR ACES S-Heavy, so I say we're still tied.

EDIT:
Quote: Zowayix
I'm a dumbo who obviously didn't grasp the sheer difficulty cliff between Singles 19s and Doubles 19s. Over The "Period" S-Challenge's been AAA FC'd with a single Good, while it looks like the WR on Over The "Period" D-Challenge is ~34 misses and a 903k score. And Konami expected someone to LIFE4 clear that? And now Konami expects someone to both LIFE4 clear and AA this, so they can get a shot at PFC'ing what comes afterward?!

To be fair, only EGOISM 440 and OT'P' are that much harder as Doubles 19s - Valkyrie Dimension actually has a higher score on D-Challenge compared to S-Challenge, and PRevo D-Challenge has been 950K'd, iirc (and before you mention that S-Challenge has been 990K'd, bare in mind only FEFEMZ has pulled that off, TAKASKE's got 950K on Doubles).

EDIT #2: Though honestly, given the difficulty spike, I half expect the first D20 chart to just literally be Paradoxx from PIU.

Post #5457 · Posted at 2017-10-18 02:41:43am 6.5 years ago

Offline Zowayix
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Quote: wrsw
Quote: Zowayix
If it turns out that EndymionChallenge does lead into Ace For AcesHeavy, then Ace For Aces D-Heavy will have the dubious record of "least amount of chart known before first difficulty downgrade, at 0%".

In case you haven't noticed, we currently have 0% of ACE FOR ACES S-Heavy, so I say we're still tied.
We have no difficulty downgrades for Ace For AcesHeavy yet, so there's no way to tell how much of it will be known when the first difficulty downgrade drops. If it turns out that no one is able to LIFE4 AA+ Endymion S-Challenge by that time, then yes, Ace For Aces S-Heavy and D-Heavy will be tied at 0%. I hope that doesn't happen though.

Post #5458 · Posted at 2017-10-18 06:51:24am 6.5 years ago

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Date for DREAMING-ING!! confirmed for October 19th

Yes i know the image is for jubeat but the release date is universal

Post #5459 · Posted at 2017-10-18 01:00:04pm 6.5 years ago

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To no surprise, ACE FOR ACES ranked #1 in the BEMANI Fan Site CHECK!SONGS Monthly Ranking list for August 2017.
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Post #5460 · Posted at 2017-10-18 02:13:53pm 6.5 years ago

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Wow...

Maybe I have the unpopular opinion here, but ACE FOR ACES isn't that great of a song at all.
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