Logo

Why I no can do Max?

Register Log In Back To Forums

Post #1 · Posted at 2015-05-04 08:41:26am 8.9 years ago

Offline Wulfy013
Wulfy013 Avatar Member
128 Posts
United States
Reg. 2011-08-10


Last updated: 2015-05-04 08:42am
So, I made a thread before about my personal limit in DDR, but that thread met with (deserved) criticism, mostly because I was giving up rather than trying to get better. So, I pushed forward and got a few results but lost easy access to DDR machines.

However, I finally have had access to a good machine on free play for a while now, and I have managed to get back into decent shape and even AAAd a light and standard chart while teaching people how to play the game. (The grow up to Heavy so fast!)

However, a problem I had before and had now when I can get (with relative consistency) under 15 greats on 9 footers is trying to AA or even A the 10 footers of the Extreme Era. Of course, I can AA Bag and Sakura on command, but they don't compare (for me) to the rest of the list.

Paranoia Survivor, PSM, PSMO, The Legend of Max, Max 300, and Maxx Unlimited are just generally "too hard" for me to do better than B, and I'm not sure why. I am really familiar with their stepchart and associated foot patterns. I always thought it was a problem with the speed of the song, but I nearly made an A on Possession (and generallydo better on later boss songs than ones from the extreme era, including the X-special versions of the above).

In fact, I can usually get low As on Super Samurai, Roppongi Evolved (A-C, not D), and Zeta, etc. However, I've only gotten an A on Max 300 once (which was on a DDR Max machine as Extra Stage. Never passed it on extra stage since that one time), and I've never gotten better than a B on either Paranoia Surivor, or the other two Maxes.

So, anyone have any clue what is just disabling me or advice on how to move forward? Is it a mental thing?
http://zenius-i-vanisher.com/v5.2/ddr_sig.php?userid=9416&generate=1

DDR Black 2 now available!!
NOTE: DDR Black update released!
New pack: Mortal Kombat

Post #2 · Posted at 2015-05-04 03:38:17pm 8.9 years ago

Offline Quickman
Quickman Avatar Member+
6,040 Posts
United Kingdom
Reg. 2013-08-17

"Yuuki Mishima for Tekken"
The only thing I can suggest is just keep on playing. I used to regularly get Cs and Bs on songs like Max 300, but I can now get that rating on some 18s, and I didn't do anything differently other than repeatedly playing. Eventually you'll develop your own way of doing things. There's really no shortcut.
Quote: Ty
Why are we booting up a Master System?
Quote: Quick Man
Because God isn't real and if he was he'd hate you.
https://card.psnprofiles.com/1/DWN012Quick_Man.png

Post #3 · Posted at 2015-05-04 07:53:15pm 8.9 years ago

Offline Wulfy013
Wulfy013 Avatar Member
128 Posts
United States
Reg. 2011-08-10

I'm not looking for a shortcut. The thing is on 17s-18s, I get *better* Bs and Cs than I do on the Extreme Era 10 footers. And I play them a decent amount, so not really sure why. Figured maybe someone could be like "Oh, if you're doing well on Possession but not Max 300, maybe your issue is blah blah blah" or something. I dunno what I was expecting, haha.
http://zenius-i-vanisher.com/v5.2/ddr_sig.php?userid=9416&generate=1

DDR Black 2 now available!!
NOTE: DDR Black update released!
New pack: Mortal Kombat

Post #4 · Posted at 2015-05-04 08:02:25pm 8.9 years ago

Offline Tyma
Tyma Avatar Member
2,309 Posts
Not Set
Reg. 2006-05-31

3DS Friend Code: 2595-1148-0077

Last updated: 2015-05-04 08:02pm
What kind of machine or console setup are you playing them on?

Post #5 · Posted at 2015-05-04 08:40:07pm 8.9 years ago

Offline TaroNuke
TaroNuke Avatar Member+
1,170 Posts
United Kingdom
Reg. 2009-02-05

Nintendo Network ID: TSCTaroNuke
"ya did good, kiddo"
The PARANOiAs in the Survivor series have a loooot of crossovers, and POSSESSION does not.
To this day, POSSESSION is the only 17 I have achieved a AA full combo on, though I am close on Anti-Matter. Those charts are very simple compared to PSMO and even PSM Heavy, (though I can score quite well on PSM Heavy as it's one of the easier 15s), it just means you need to practice crossovers.

POSSESSION and Anti-Matter are just fast and stamina-based, you don't need the tech skill to do well on them. There are some new boss songs that require such tech skill too, like PARANOiA Hades and Pluto Relinquish. It just depends what you're good at. Find what you're less good at, and practice it.

"Little Susie dang sweet fell on a cactus, she did, whoooooie!"

Post #6 · Posted at 2015-05-04 09:14:51pm 8.9 years ago

Offline Tyma
Tyma Avatar Member
2,309 Posts
Not Set
Reg. 2006-05-31

3DS Friend Code: 2595-1148-0077

Last updated: 2015-05-04 09:16pm
For what it's worth, I passed PSM Oni, Ngo Oni and Arrabiatta on the first attempt as sight-reads, but in 17 years of playing, I've never managed to ever pass Legend Of Max, Maxx 300 Jondi & Spesh Remix or Possession, so your situation isn't weird or anything ^^;

-

There's another good example in Pump It Up Prex 3, when people had the most bizarre argument about the hardest song to beat with Stage Break on.

Let's Get The Party Started

or

Arasandoo

LGTPS is so hard it makes it Arasandoo look like it doesn't even belong on the same difficulty level, but a huge percentage of people had trouble with the specific patterns in Arasandoo, and I know a couple of friends who were pulling their hair out trying to pass it on Stage Break, long after they'd passed LGTPS.

Post #7 · Posted at 2015-05-05 01:44:13am 8.9 years ago

Offline TaroNuke
TaroNuke Avatar Member+
1,170 Posts
United Kingdom
Reg. 2009-02-05

Nintendo Network ID: TSCTaroNuke
"ya did good, kiddo"
I am finding it incredibly hard to swallow that anyone had trouble with any part of arrasando

Like, I don't even understand, what? how can these people be passing LGTPS hahaha, could they just not twist AT ALL? But that just raises more questions!

I guess it further exemplifies the obvious: it just comes down to what you're good at.

"Little Susie dang sweet fell on a cactus, she did, whoooooie!"

Post #8 · Posted at 2015-05-05 01:53:55am 8.9 years ago

Offline Wulfy013
Wulfy013 Avatar Member
128 Posts
United States
Reg. 2011-08-10


Last updated: 2015-05-05 01:56am
Quote: TaroNuke
The PARANOiAs in the Survivor series have a loooot of crossovers, and POSSESSION does not.
To this day, POSSESSION is the only 17 I have achieved a AA full combo on, though I am close on Anti-Matter. Those charts are very simple compared to PSMO and even PSM Heavy, (though I can score quite well on PSM Heavy as it's one of the easier 15s), it just means you need to practice crossovers.

POSSESSION and Anti-Matter are just fast and stamina-based, you don't need the tech skill to do well on them. There are some new boss songs that require such tech skill too, like PARANOiA Hades and Pluto Relinquish. It just depends what you're good at. Find what you're less good at, and practice it.

That advice is really quite helpful for survivor, except for the whole Max 300 thing. And even Legend. I don't consider their charts particularly demanding in terms of crossovers. And I guess its the fact that I did Max 300 once with an okay A, but can never get above a low B on it now.

Also, I am playing on Arcade games. Either an X2 machine (which is near my parent's house) or an Extreme machine, which is on campus.

EDIT: WOOOPS! Forgot to thank you guys for taking time help. The advice is useful, but the Max and LEgend bother me more than anything else because I can do *so* much better on the X-Special
http://zenius-i-vanisher.com/v5.2/ddr_sig.php?userid=9416&generate=1

DDR Black 2 now available!!
NOTE: DDR Black update released!
New pack: Mortal Kombat

Post #9 · Posted at 2015-05-05 01:57:36am 8.9 years ago

Offline TaroNuke
TaroNuke Avatar Member+
1,170 Posts
United Kingdom
Reg. 2009-02-05

Nintendo Network ID: TSCTaroNuke
"ya did good, kiddo"

Last updated: 2015-05-05 01:59am
MAX 300 is more draining than Survivor, though.
Its gimmick is that it's mostly drills, and it's very easy to go too fast, making your accuracy bad.
A common instinct when playing charts around the hardest level you can do, is to go as fast as you can.
You should pay extra attention to slow down and time your steps to the beat of the song,
otherwise your accuracy will suffer, even if you're passing it without finding it too hard.
Legend of Max also has some drills, but it's mostly just difficult jumps that make LoM and Maxx Unlimited hard to score on.

Like all other things, learning to time jumps and step-jumps also takes practice.

"Little Susie dang sweet fell on a cactus, she did, whoooooie!"

Post #10 · Posted at 2015-05-05 02:03:44am 8.9 years ago

Offline Wulfy013
Wulfy013 Avatar Member
128 Posts
United States
Reg. 2011-08-10

Hmm, yeah, okay. That makes sense.

I find the step chart to Max 300 (xspecial), although being dumb in its need for crossovers, actually hits the beat of the music better, at least in my opinion. I probably do the drills too fast though, so I could see that.

http://zenius-i-vanisher.com/v5.2/ddr_sig.php?userid=9416&generate=1

DDR Black 2 now available!!
NOTE: DDR Black update released!
New pack: Mortal Kombat

Post #11 · Posted at 2015-05-05 04:45:43am 8.9 years ago

Offline Max
Max Avatar Member+
8,111 Posts
United States
Reg. 2008-02-05

Nintendo Network ID: maxninja1143DS Friend Code: 392661848995Game Center Nickname: maxninja114
"Charlie isn't real"
What are you talking about? Of course you can do me ;)

(Real talk just keep practicing and playing, if it helps build stamina by doing some workouts that specialize in that field).

Post #12 · Posted at 2015-05-05 07:24:55am 8.9 years ago

Offline 5outh5ide
5outh5ide Avatar Member
140 Posts
Indonesia
Reg. 2014-07-04

"BABY DON'T CARE"
Max 300 is very very draining in my opinion, other than slowing down, you may want to increase your stamina, as in my case I was exhausted halfway through the song lol

Just keep on playing, those scores will go up if you want them to go up.

Post #13 · Posted at 2015-05-06 02:26:45am 8.9 years ago

Offline Wulfy013
Wulfy013 Avatar Member
128 Posts
United States
Reg. 2011-08-10


Last updated: 2015-05-06 02:26am
Good news everyone!
I got an A on it, but that's because I took some of the advice (slowing down and listening to the music more), and I realized something. Some parts of the song are just weird for me to read and I never hit the correct buttons even though I see them. I think, because of my good performance on their counterparts, it might be that I *know* the chart and sorta laze my way through it instead of performing well.

So, I put it on mirror and did the song. I got a massive improvement in my combo (up from a sub 200 average to 306) and a marked improvement in my perfect attack, particularly on sections I normally do poor on.

Thanks for the help everyone. I'll keep doing my best and let you know what advice is helping!

Quote: Max
What are you talking about? Of course you can do me ;)

(Real talk just keep practicing and playing, if it helps build stamina by doing some workouts that specialize in that field).

I'll do you anytime.
http://zenius-i-vanisher.com/v5.2/ddr_sig.php?userid=9416&generate=1

DDR Black 2 now available!!
NOTE: DDR Black update released!
New pack: Mortal Kombat

Post #14 · Posted at 2015-05-06 02:27:00am 8.9 years ago

Offline TaroNuke
TaroNuke Avatar Member+
1,170 Posts
United Kingdom
Reg. 2009-02-05

Nintendo Network ID: TSCTaroNuke
"ya did good, kiddo"
Glad to be helpful Smile

"Little Susie dang sweet fell on a cactus, she did, whoooooie!"

Post #15 · Posted at 2015-05-06 02:32:15am 8.9 years ago

Offline SM MaxX
SM MaxX Avatar Member+
910 Posts
United States
Reg. 2012-08-30

Nintendo Switch Friend Code: SW-1495-0040-1058
"I play too much touhou"
fwiw putting max 300 on mirror starts the chart on your right foot instead of your left; it's possible you did better because your dominant foot had an easier time with harder sections.
http://i.imgur.com/EvGgqSs.png

Post #16 · Posted at 2015-05-06 03:26:23am 8.9 years ago

Offline Wulfy013
Wulfy013 Avatar Member
128 Posts
United States
Reg. 2011-08-10

Quote: SM MaxX
fwiw putting max 300 on mirror starts the chart on your right foot instead of your left; it's possible you did better because your dominant foot had an easier time with harder sections.

My left foot is dominant. It's actually the literal reading of certain sections that screwed me up. Particularly the part before the final drills before the freeze. (Arrow combo 329-342, where jumps count as 2 for combo.)

http://zenius-i-vanisher.com/v5.2/ddr_sig.php?userid=9416&generate=1

DDR Black 2 now available!!
NOTE: DDR Black update released!
New pack: Mortal Kombat

Post #17 · Posted at 2015-05-06 01:15:50pm 8.9 years ago

Offline Quickman
Quickman Avatar Member+
6,040 Posts
United Kingdom
Reg. 2013-08-17

"Yuuki Mishima for Tekken"
Oh, that reminds me, a good way to play some of these songs is to use Shuffle. You'll get used to the rhythms while playing different patterns.

IDK if it turns shit into crossovers, though.
Quote: Ty
Why are we booting up a Master System?
Quote: Quick Man
Because God isn't real and if he was he'd hate you.
https://card.psnprofiles.com/1/DWN012Quick_Man.png

Post #18 · Posted at 2015-05-27 08:35:44am 8.8 years ago

Offline Wulfy013
Wulfy013 Avatar Member
128 Posts
United States
Reg. 2011-08-10

ahhahaha, no. Max 300 with random spins wasn't fun. I tried it before for funzies, and it's bleh!


http://zenius-i-vanisher.com/v5.2/ddr_sig.php?userid=9416&generate=1

DDR Black 2 now available!!
NOTE: DDR Black update released!
New pack: Mortal Kombat
Register Log In Back To Forums

0 User(s) Viewing This Thread (Past 15 Minutes)

©2006-2024 Zenius -I- vanisher.com -5th style- IIPrivacy Policy
Web Server: 4% · Database: 4% · Server Time: 2024-03-28 08:48:37
This page took 0.016 seconds to execute.
Theme: starlight · Language: englishuk
Reset Theme & Language