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Post #21 · Posted at 2013-06-14 08:51:50am 10.8 years ago

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Post #22 · Posted at 2013-06-14 05:35:54pm 10.8 years ago

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Seeing that this new beta has been released, has the .sm vs .ssc conflict issue been resolved, or are we basically stuck with .ssc forever?
I'm (legitimately) not sure what you mean when you refer to "the conflict." If you are able to expound on this, I can attempt to explain the current state of your concern to the best of my ability.

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Going back & forth between 4 & 5 has been a problem for me in the past since it only saves changes to .ssc files once it comes time to update/overwrite .ssc & .sm files in SM 5 (it ignores the .sm file if an .ssc is already there). Also, if I transfer a simfile from 4 to 5 that has an extreme BPM warp gimmick (fake negative BPM warp -- SM 4 cannot recognize negative BPM warps), SM 5 will convert it to an actual negative BPM warp, meaning that once I transfer it back to SM 4, it'll act like the warp was never there.
I believe the Stepmania.com download pages says it best when it states "StepMania 4.0 has been superseded by StepMania 5."

I've asked you this question before (you didn't answer me then) and I'm still curious -- what does SM4 offer that SM5 doesn't? I'll ask again: Why are you using SM4?

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And, when I try to change/set the BPM for a simfile on SM 5, it doesn't work.
Can you expound, preferably in a step-by-step fashion of what you expect to happen versus what actually happens in Stepmania 5 beta 2?

Quote: NuVirus
And, what if I want to set the displayed BPM to a certain number, or range? It also won't work, whether I set it when in Song timing, or Chart (whatever that other timing mode is called) timing. I even went through the trouble of going to every single chart in the simfile to set it, and it still wouldn't work.
I tested this just now in In Stepmania 5 beta 2's default theme and did not encounter any issues. You can set a DisplayBPM in the default theme's editor in Stepmania 5 beta 2 by:

0. take note of whether you are in Song Timing or Chart Timing. If you want your DisplayBPM to affect ALL difficulties across ALL games types (dance, pump, techo, etc.), you'll want to be in Song Timing. If you want your DisplayBPM to only affect the particular difficulty you are currently writing in the game type you are currently in, you'll want to be in Chart Timing. Song Timing and Chart timing can be toggled between with the T key.

1. press escape
2. press enter the on the "Edit Steps Information" option
3. press left/right on the "Display BPM" option to toggle to "Specified"
4. press enter on "Min Specified BPM"
5. type your desired minimum DisplayBPM and press enter
6. press enter on "Max Specified BPM"
7. type your desired minimum DisplayBPM and press enter
8. Save


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Why do these programmers gotta give MAC users so much stress?
If Stepmania is causing you stress, you may want to consider taking a break from Stepmania. Maybe go outside, get some fresh air, see the world, that sort of thing. Extreme motions can be dangerous, you know? Smile

But seriously, it's just a free game.

Post #23 · Posted at 2013-06-18 12:53:31am 10.8 years ago

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Beta 2a has been released to fix a few quick issues with Beta 2. The original post has been updated with the appropriate info. Be sure to read the upgrade notes!

dbk2's upgrade tutorial is still applicable, for anyone who needs a more detailed walkthrough.

Post #24 · Posted at 2013-06-18 05:39:27am 10.8 years ago

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Of course this new StepMania 5 beta 2a didn't work for me. It won't work with my version of MAC OS X. Once again, the geniuses behind this game have done it again.

Get your act together developers, because you're doing it wrong!
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Post #25 · Posted at 2013-06-18 05:43:27am 10.8 years ago

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Post #26 · Posted at 2013-06-18 06:12:15am 10.8 years ago

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Yeah, unfortunately the Apple business model is to deprecate old OSes pretty quickly and force people to upgrade. If you have a patch that would make StepMania work on more versions of OSX, that would be great!

If not, you're free to return your copy of StepMania for the full cost of the license. Smile

Post #27 · Posted at 2013-06-18 06:31:39am 10.8 years ago

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At this point, I'm pretty much desperate to get a Windows laptop. Besides StepMania (the good ones), there are a whole bunch of programs I would like to use that simply cannot exist for MAC, but only for Windows. Luckily, I'm going to be given a Windows laptop as a graduation gift very soon, so hopefully I can get this new StepMania 5 beta 2a to work on it. However, I'll also have to reacquaint myself with a Windows OS after not being used to it for more than 4 years.

Turns out, the copy of SM 5 that I DO have, is StepMania 5 alpha 1 . At least it works.
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Post #28 · Posted at 2013-06-18 06:46:41am 10.8 years ago

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I'm curious which version of OS X you're running. Unless your machine in ancient you should be able to BootCamp at least Windows XP.

Post #29 · Posted at 2013-06-18 07:00:47am 10.8 years ago

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I have a Mac OS X Version 10.5.8, which my family purchased back in 2008.
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Post #30 · Posted at 2013-06-18 07:38:16am 10.8 years ago

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Hi, NuVirus. Thank you for the information that you are using Mac OS 10.5. As djpohly noted, Apple's business model is to rapidly deprecate older OSes and pretty much force Mac users to upgrade their OS regularly. This is more an Apple thing than a Stepmania thing.

That said, I made a few changes to the code and am uploading a custom build of SM5 beta2a for you. I don't have a copy of Mac OS 10.5, so I have no idea if it'll actually work. When you have the time, please download this custom build, and let me know if it works for you.

EDIT: After speaking with the development team, I've learned that Mac OS 10.5 is not and will not officially be supported by SM5. If you are interested in running up-to-date versions of SM5, you'll need to upgrade your OS to at least 10.6. You can do so here: http://store.apple.com/us/product/MC573Z/A/mac-os-x-106-snow-leopard

After upgrading to Mac OS 10.6, upgrading to the most recent OS (10.9) is free via the Mac AppStore.

If you need help installing SM5 on Mac OS 10.6 or newer, my installation/upgrade guide for Mac OS still applies.

Post #31 · Posted at 2013-06-18 07:39:49am 10.8 years ago

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"Give me a steady beat."
Do you know what Mac you're using?

Post #32 · Posted at 2013-06-18 07:50:29am 10.8 years ago

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I don't understand why it won't work on your Mac computer. I realize that many games are Windows exclusive, but Stepmania has been developed to be available on all major operating systems. Are you sure there isn't anything wrong with your configuration?

It would also help if you explained exactly what happened instead of just saying "derp it didn't work" and blaming the developers. There should be something in Stepmania's error logs that explains what went wrong exactly.
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Post #33 · Posted at 2013-06-18 07:55:47am 10.8 years ago

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"Give me a steady beat."
It's because the newest betas of StepMania 5 dropped support for older versions of OS X. I'm trying to find out exactly what Mac he has because he should be able to install a copy of Windows on his Mac computer and boot into it to use exclusive software and the latest StepMania.

Post #34 · Posted at 2013-06-18 09:23:38am 10.8 years ago

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I don't understand why it won't work on your Mac computer. I realize that many games are Windows exclusive, but Stepmania has been developed to be available on all major operating systems. Are you sure there isn't anything wrong with your configuration?

It would also help if you explained exactly what happened instead of just saying "derp it didn't work" and blaming the developers. There should be something in Stepmania's error logs that explains what went wrong exactly.

When downloading the StepMania 5 beta 2 that wouldn't work for me before, I managed to download it successfully, but when I opened the folder with the program icon arrow, there was a circular "no" symbol in front of the arrow. I clicked on the arrow icon anyways, and a message popped up stating that the game was not compatible with my version of Mac OS X.

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Hi, NuVirus. Thank you for the information that you are using Mac OS 10.5. As djpohly noted, Apple's business model is to rapidly deprecate older OSes and pretty much force Mac users to upgrade their OS regularly. This is more an Apple thing than a Stepmania thing.

That said, I made a few changes to the code and am uploading a custom build of SM5 beta2a for you. I don't have a copy of Mac OS 10.5, so I have no idea if it'll actually work. When you have the time, please download this custom build, and let me know if it works for you.

The link is broken. It says "Not Found".
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Post #35 · Posted at 2013-06-18 09:27:27am 10.8 years ago

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The link is broken. It says "Not Found".
Sorry about that. >_< I've fixed the original link.

Again, I don't actually have access to a computer with Mac OS 10.5, so I have no idea if this will work. Still, it's worth a try.

Post #36 · Posted at 2013-06-18 12:13:00pm 10.8 years ago

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I've had the same issue with SM5 for a while now, through different versions of it, where during gameplay after a few songs, the gameplay will suddenly become extremely choppy and will not be fine again until I restart Stepmania. Then it's fine for a few more songs, and I'll have to restart it again. Any ideas what could be causing something like that? I know the hardware in the box I am using to play SM is pretty old, but it seems to work fine for a while, BGvideos and all, and then crap out suddenly. Running on Windows XP. Thanks!

Post #37 · Posted at 2013-12-12 09:25:48am 10.3 years ago

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* The DirectX upgrade initially caused some issues with input devices not being recognized on Windows. Hopefully all of these have been ironed out, but if you have trouble with an input device, let us know and we'll get it fixed!

Anyone know of an update or fix for this? Tried this out today. Omega GX works fine under beta 1 and under OpenITG. Not seen at all by beta 2. Freshly loaded Windows 7 x64 system with DirectX 9 I stalled via the web installer earlier today to fix the missing DLL issue.

I realize this is an old thread, but it was the only thing relevant a Google search was turning up.

Post #38 · Posted at 2013-12-13 10:01:16am 10.3 years ago

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Not seen at all by beta 2

Are you using beta 2 or beta 2a ?

If beta2, try downloading and using beta2a: http://www.stepmania.com/wiki/Downloads

If you're already using beta2a, you could give the most recent nightly build a try: http://smnightly.katzepower.com/

The one at the top of the list there is the most recent nightly build, which I can't comment on (it's less than a day old) but I have been using the last build from Nov 30, 2013 since it was built without any problems. It should almost certainly be safe, but there's no guarantee it'll actually be any better regarding the Omega GX pads.

So, yeah, let me know which version of SM5 you're using, and I'll see what I can do, since I happen to know someone with two such pads that I could... feasibly ask to borrow... >_>

Post #39 · Posted at 2013-12-13 10:42:36am 10.3 years ago

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Not seen at all by beta 2

Are you using beta 2 or beta 2a ?

If beta2, try downloading and using beta2a: http://www.stepmania.com/wiki/Downloads

If you're already using beta2a, you could give the most recent nightly build a try: http://smnightly.katzepower.com/

The one at the top of the list there is the most recent nightly build, which I can't comment on (it's less than a day old) but I have been using the last build from Nov 11, 2013 since it was built without any problems. It should almost certainly be safe, but there's no guarantee it'll actually be any better regarding the Omega GX pads.

So, yeah, let me know which version of SM5 you're using, and I'll see what I can do, since I happen to know someone with two such pads that I could... feasibly ask to borrow... >_>

I had tried beta 2a and then dropped down to 1a when it didn't see the pad at all. I've used OpenITG for a long time, but wanted to give SM5 a try. I'll try the nightlies tomorrow and get back to you.

Post #40 · Posted at 2013-12-13 11:02:05am 10.3 years ago

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Cool, thanks. I'll see if I can acquire one of those pads, but it might not be until next week.
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