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ポスト #141 · 2019-04-22 03:15:53pmにポスト 6月前

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ポスト #142 · 2019-04-24 06:09:06pmにポスト 5.9月前

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Trigger Challenge should be a 17.

I'm not quite sure how you came to this conclusion, but I think it's fine as an easier 18.

Compared to Spanish Snowy Dance CSP, DeltaMAX CSP, Idola CSP, Air Heroes CSP, Puberty Dysmythia CSP, hell even REVOLUTION CSP is pretty comparable in density. (Hell, let's go a bit older, does nobody else find the idea that someone would fail Trigger Challenge but survive the back half of FAXX Heavy preposterous?)

The ending and sync of Trigger is pretty shitty for scoring but it requires FAR less stamina than I'd argue a majority of the 17s in the game

I'd also argue Mei Challenge and maybe HDV Challenge are 17s for passing (but probably not the latter, I just find that one bizarrely easy for someone who considers Pluto Relinquish one of the harder 18s), but IMO the score killers in those charts are FAR more egregious enough that I think they're fine as 18s.

ポスト #143 · 2019-05-29 07:29:59pmにポスト 4.7月前

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It boggles the mind why Spanish Snowy Dance Heavy is still a 15. The EDP chart got upped to 16, why not the ESP?

ポスト #144 · 2019-05-29 09:53:19pmにポスト 4.7月前

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It boggles the mind why Spanish Snowy Dance Heavy is still a 15. The EDP chart got upped to 16, why not the ESP?

Yeah, the fact that Vanquish the Ghost is a 16, and Spanish Snowy Dance and Beach Side Bunny are both 15s, makes me sad. There's no way VtG is harder than those two songs

ポスト #145 · 2019-08-03 05:45:11pmにポスト 2.5月前

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If it hasn't been brought up yet, I think Tribe S-Challenge should really be a 14, the rhythms seem like a lot for even a hard 13.

ポスト #146 · 2019-08-03 06:14:14pmにポスト 2.5月前

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All singles:
No Tears Left To Cry Heavy10 ->11
- Too many 16th streams and 12ths streams for a 10
Something Like This (Alesso Remix) ditto
- Too many 16ths streams for a 10
Tsugaru Heavy 12 -> 13
- The gallops
Tsugaru (Apple Mix) Challenge 11->12
- Ditto
D2R (Freeze Special) Challenge 12->11 or D2R Heavy should be a 12 instead
- For freeze special, the spins are tough and the streams are there but the chart isn't draining; for the original it's the bursts, and the chart doesn't look like an 11

ポスト #147 · 2019-08-03 06:32:49pmにポスト 2.5月前

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Helios Heavy could definitely qualify as a 16

ポスト #148 · 2019-08-03 07:22:35pmにポスト 2.5月前

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LONG TRAIN RUNNIN' (20th Anniversary Mix) EDP does not look like a 13 IMO
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ポスト #149 · 2019-08-04 06:45:33pmにポスト 2.5月前

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Tsugaru Heavy 12 -> 13
- The gallops

Seconded. The EDP was bumped up to 13 for A20 so perhaps they'll bump the ESP in due time.

ポスト #150 · 2019-08-11 12:16:02pmにポスト 2.3月前

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Ska Ska No.3 ESP 12 -> 11
Small Steps DSP 7 -> 6
Small Steps ESP 10 -> 9

ポスト #151 · 2019-08-11 05:34:57pmにポスト 2.3月前

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Rejoin S-Light: 6 ->7
Rejoin S-Standard: 10->11
Life is beautiful S-Heavy: 16->15
Rejoin is yet another song where they rerated the offending difficulties for doubles but not singles.

I know this thread has been all DDR so far, but here's a few for jubeat as well:
December Breeze EXT: 10.0 -> 10.2/.3
Xibercannon EXT: 10.0 -> 10.1
ディアブロ EXT (even though it's already been removed): 9.3 -> 9.6/.7

ポスト #152 · 2019-08-12 02:29:25pmにポスト 2.3月前

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I think Life is Beautiful is fine as a 16. Yes, the patterns are mega easy, but it is a DRAINING song to play. Plus with Emera bumped down this is a good replacement baby 16.
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ポスト #153 · 2019-08-14 07:34:29amにポスト 2.2月前

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I took the time to reflect those A20 re-ratings and revised a ton of thoughts in the meantime. Put a few new things here and there, took out a few others, and such. Still don't know a whole lot on lower difficulties, since I tend to just look at what I hear people say are glaring errors.

1st
MAKE IT BETTER S-Heavy 12 -> 11
PARANOiA D-Heavy 11 -> 12

2nd
BRILLIANT 2U (Orchestra Groove) D-Heavy 9 -> 8
GENOM SCREAMS D-Heavy 12 -> 13
MAKE IT BETTER (So-REAL Mix) S-Heavy 10 -> 11
PARANOiA KCET ~clean mix~ D-Challenge 15 -> 14
PARANOiA MAX ~DIRTY MIX~ D-Heavy 11 -> 12
PUT YOUR FAITH IN ME D-Heavy 8 -> 7
PUT YOUR FAITH IN ME (Jazzy Groove) D-Heavy 11 -> 10

3rd
DROP THE BOMB D-Heavy 10 -> 11
LOVE THIS FEELIN’ D-Heavy 11 -> 12

4th
BABY BABY GIMME YOUR LOVE D-Heavy 9 -> 7
BURNIN’ THE FLOOR D-Heavy 12 -> 10
MY SUMMER LOVE S-Heavy 12 -> 11 / D-Heavy 12 -> 10
ORION.78(AMeuro-MIX) D-Heavy 9 -> 10
SUPER STAR S-Heavy 12 -> 11
TRIP MACHINE CLIMAX S-Heavy 12 -> 13

5th
サナ・モレッテ・ネ・エンテ S-Heavy 12 -> 11 / D-Heavy 12 -> 11
AFRONOVA PRIMEVAL S-Standard 8 -> 10 / D-Standard 9 -> 10, Heavy 13 -> 14
CAN'T STOP FALLIN' IN LOVE ~SPEED MIX~ S-Heavy 12 -> 13
STILL IN MY HEART D-Heavy 9 -> 10

MAX
exotic ethnic D-Standard 7 -> 9
Let the beat hit em!(CLASSIC R&B STYLE) S-Heavy 10 -> 9 / D-Heavy 10 -> 9
MAX 300 S-Standard 12 -> 13

MAX2
革命 D-Heavy 11 -> 12
AFRONOVA(FROM NONSTOP MEGAMIX) S-Challenge 10 -> 11 / D-Challenge 10 -> 11
D2R D-Heavy 11 -> 12
DROP OUT(FROM NONSTOP MEGAMIX) S-Challenge 12 -> 13
MY SUMMER LOVE(TOMMY'S SMILE MIX) S-Challenge 12 -> 11
Secret Rendez-vous D-Heavy 12 -> 11

EXTREME
蒼い衝動 ~for EXTREME~ S-Heavy 9 -> 10 / D-Standard 6 -> 8, Heavy 11 -> 10
三毛猫ロック S-Heavy 11 -> 12
A S-Challenge 12 -> 13
Across the nightmare D-Heavy 13 -> 12
air D- Heavy 11 -> 10
bag S-Standard 11 -> 10 / D-Standard 12 -> 10
I'm gonna get you! S-Heavy 9 -> 10
Kiss me all night long D-Heavy 11 -> 10
♥Love²シュガ→♥ S-Heavy 8 -> 9
LOVE♥SHINE S-Heavy 9 -> 10
PARANOIA survivor MAX S-Standard 11 -> 12
sync (EXTREME version) S-Heavy 9 -> 10
The legend of MAX S-Standard 13 -> 12 / D-Standard 12 -> 13
TRIP MACHINE survivor D-Heavy 12 -> 13
1998 S-Heavy 9 -> 10 / D-Heavy 9 -> 10

SuperNOVA
怒れる大きな白い馬 S-Heavy 11 -> 12 / D-Heavy 11 -> 12
月光蝶 S-Heavy 10 -> 11
BALLAD FOR YOU~想いの雨~ S-Heavy 11 -> 9 / D-Heavy 11 -> 9
Brazilian Anthem S-Heavy 12 -> 11 / D-Heavy 10 -> 11
cachaca S-Heavy 12 -> 11
CURUS S-Standard 7 -> 6, Heavy 10 -> 11
DoLL D-Challenge 14 -> 13
Dragon Blade D-Heavy 11 -> 12
Flow D-Heavy 11 -> 12
HAPPY☆ANGEL D-Heavy 11 -> 12
KEEP ON MOVIN' ~DMX MIX~ D-Heavy 12 -> 11
LOGICAL DASH S-Heavy 11 -> 10
MAX 300 (Super-Max-Me Mix) S-Standard 13 -> 14 / D-Light 9 -> 11, Standard 12 -> 13, Heavy 15 -> 16
MIDNIGHT SPECIAL S-Heavy 10 -> 11
Mind Parasite S-Heavy 13 -> 12
No.13 D-Heavy 12 -> 13
PARANOiA-Respect- S-Standard 12 -> 13 / D-Standard 12-> 13
STARS☆☆☆(2nd NAOKI's style) D-Heavy 11 -> 10
Star Gate Heaven D- Heavy 11 -> 12
TIERRA BUENA D-Heavy 11 -> 10
TOMORROW S-Heavy 10 -> 11
TRUE♥LOVE S-Heavy 10 -> 11 / D-Heavy 10 -> 11

SuperNOVA2
Arrabbiata S-Light 11 -> 10
D2R (“FREEZE” Special) D-Challenge 13 -> 11
FIRE S-Heavy 11 -> 12
Freeway Shuffle D-Heavy 9 -> 10
L'amour et la liberté(Darwin & DJ Silver remix) S-Heavy 11 -> 12
Raspberry♥Heart(English version) S-Challenge 11 -> 10 / D-Challenge 12 -> 11
Shades of Grey S-Heavy 11 -> 9
STARS☆☆☆ (Re-tuned by HΛL) - DDR EDITION – S-Heavy 9 -> 10 / D-Heavy 10 -> 11
TRIP MACHINE PhoeniX S-Standard 11 -> 12 / D-Standard 12 -> 13
Unreal S-Standard 12 -> 13 / D-Standard 12 -> 13

X
革命(X-Special) S-Challenge 14 -> 13
AFRONOVA(X-Special) S-Challenge 13 -> 14
dazzle S-Heavy 10 -> 9 / D-Heavy 10 -> 9
Inspiration D-Heavy 9 -> 10
LOVING YOU (Epidemik remix) D-Standard 7 -> 9
Malacca S-Heavy 10 -> 9, Challenge 13 -> 14 / D-Challenge 13 -> 14
on the bounce S-Challenge 16 -> 15
PARANOIA ETERNAL(X-Special) D-Challenge 13 -> 14
PARANOIA EVOLUTION(X-Special) D-Challenge 15 -> 16
S・A・G・A D-Standard 10 -> 12
SABER WING D-Heavy 13 -> 14, Challenge 13 -> 14
SUPER SAMURAI S-Standard 12 -> 13, D-Standard 12 -> 13
Taj He Spitz D-Heavy 11 -> 10
Till the lonely’s gone S-Heavy 9 -> 10 / D-Heavy 9 -> 10
TimeHollow S-Heavy 10 -> 8
Trigger D-Standard 11 -> 12

X2
All My Love D-Heavy 11 -> 10
Anti-Matter D-Light 11 -> 12
Crazy Control S-Heavy 9 -> 10
Decade D-Heavy 12 -> 11
Heatstroke D-Heavy 10 -> 11
in love wit you S-Heavy 8 -> 10 / D-Heavy 9 -> 10
roppongi EVOLVED ver.D S-Heavy 15 -> 16
Poseidon (kors k mix) S-Heavy 14 -> 13
POSSESSION S-Beginner 7 -> 8 / D-Heavy 17 -> 18
Sacred Oath D-Heavy 11 -> 12
sakura storm S-Heavy 10 -> 11 / D-Heavy 11 -> 10
Shiny World S-Heavy 14 -> 13
smooooch・∀・S-Challenge 10 -> 11 / D-Challenge 10 -> 12
Taking It To The Sky D-Heavy 8 -> 9
Valkyrie dimension S-Standard 15 -> 14
Your Angel S-Heavy 10 -> 11
ZETA~素数の世界と超越者~ S-Standard 11 -> 10
ΔMAX S-Beginner 3 -> 5, Light 5 -> 7, Heavy 17 -> 16 / D-Light 7 -> 9

X3 VS 2ndMix
アルストロメリア (walk with you remix) D-Heavy 12 -> 11, Challenge 13 -> 12
ビューティフル レシート D-Heavy 13 -> 12
CRAZY♥LOVE D-Heavy 15 -> 14
Find You Again D-Heavy 13 -> 12
FLOWER D-Standard 9 -> 10
HEARTBREAK (Sound Selektaz remix) D-Heavy 11 -> 10
Let's Get Away D-Heavy 13 -> 12
LOVE IS THE POWER -Re:born- S-Heavy 10 -> 11 / D-Heavy 10 -> 12
Mermaid girl D-Challenge 12 -> 11
New York EVOLVED (Type B, Type C) D-Heavy 16 -> 15
PARANOiA Revolution S-Light 9 -> 11 / D-Standard 14 -> 15
Seule S-Standard 10 -> 9 / D-Standard 10 -> 9
SigSig S-Heavy 12 -> 11
SILVER☆DREAM S-Standard 11 -> 12
Something Special S-Heavy 11 -> 9 / D-Heavy 11 -> 10
TIME D-Heavy 9 -> 10
Tohoku EVOLVED D-Heavy 17 -> 18
tokyoEVOLVED (TYPE1, TYPE2, TYPE3) D-Heavy 16 -> 15
Tribe D-Heavy 10 -> 11
TRIP MACHINE EVOLUTION D-Light 9 -> 8
TWINKLE♡HEART S-Challenge 10 -> 11 / D-Challenge 11 -> 13

2013
お米の美味しい炊き方、そしてお米を食べることによるその効果。S-Standard 12 -> 13 / D-Standard 12 -> 13
晴天Bon Voyage D-Heavy 11 -> 12
創世ノート S-Heavy 13 -> 14
ちくわパフェだよ☆CKP S-Heavy 12 -> 11
からふるぱすてる S-Heavy 12 -> 13
虹色の花 D-Heavy 11 -> 12
フー・フローツS-Heavy 12 -> 13 / D-Standard 9 -> 10
めうめうぺったんたん!! D-Challenge 15 -> 16
ACROSS WORLD S-Heavy 12 -> 11, Challenge 14 -> 15
Air Heroes D-Heavy 15 -> 16
Blew My Mind S-Standard 12 -> 13 / D-Standard 12 -> 13
Bombay Bomb D-Heavy 12 -> 13
Children of the Beat D-Heavy 10 -> 11
Elemental Creation D-Standard 14 -> 15
Find The Way S-Heavy 12 -> 13 / D-Heavy 12 -> 13
GAIA D-Heavy 16 -> 17
Magnetic S-Challenge 17 -> 16
Monkey Business D-Challenge 16 -> 17
New Gravity S-Heavy 12 -> 11 / D-Heavy 12 -> 11
nightbird lost wing D-Heavy 14 -> 15
Qipchãq D-Heavy 11 -> 12
RЁVOLUTIΦN D-Challenge 17 -> 18
sola D-Heavy 12 -> 13
Spanish Snowy Dance S-Heavy 15 -> 16 / D-Standard 11 -> 12, Heavy 16 -> 17
Starry HEAVEN S-Heavy 11 -> 9 / D-Heavy 11 -> 10
Straight Oath S-Standard 11 -> 10
Synergy for Angels D-Standard 10 -> 11
THE REASON S-Challenge 15 -> 16
Triple Journey -TAG EDITION- S-Heavy 16 -> 17
Wow Wow VENUS D-Heavy 12 -> 11

2014
漆黒のスペシャルプリンセスサンデー S-Heavy 13 -> 12
灼熱Beach Side Bunny S-Standard 11 -> 12 / D-Heavy 15 -> 16
天空の華 S-Standard 12 -> 11
ドーパミンD-Heavy 17 - > 18
夏色DIARY -DDR mix- S-Standard 10 -> 11 / D-Heavy 15 -> 14
パ→ピ→プ→Yeah! S-Heavy 13 -> 12
バンブーソード・ガールD-Standard 12 -> 13
ホメ猫☆センセーションS-Standard 10 -> 9
マインド・ゲーム D-Heavy 15 -> 14
回レ!雪月花 D-Heavy 12 -> 11
ラクガキスト D-Heavy 13 -> 14
海神 D-Heavy 16 -> 15
Adularia S-Heavy 14 -> 13 / D-Heavy 13 -> 12
Cleopatrysm S-Heavy 15 -> 14 / D-Standard 11 -> 10, Heavy 15 -> 14
Din Don Dan D-Heavy 10 -> 11
Dispersion Star D-Heavy 14 -> 13
Do The Evolution D-Heavy 13 -> 12
Engraved Mark S-Standard 12 -> 11 / D-Standard 13 -> 12
FUNKY SUMMER BEACH S-Heavy 14 -> 13
Go↓Go↑Girls&Boys! S-Heavy 11 -> 10
Idola D-Challenge 17 -> 18
IMANOGUILTS S-Challenge 15 -> 16 / D-Standard 11 -> 12, Challenge 15 -> 16
MAX.(period) S-Light 12 -> 13
LoveLove DokiDoki D-Heavy 12 -> 13
Over The “Period” S-Beginner 8 -> 9, Standard 15 -> 16 / D-Standard 15 -> 16
Party Lights (Tommie Sunshine's Brooklyn Fire Remix) S-Heavy 11 -> 10
Remain D-Standard 12 -> 13
Romancing Layer S-Standard 11 -> 10
SABER WING (satellite silhouette remix) D-Challenge 14 -> 13
Sakura Mirage S-Heavy 14 -> 13
Samurai Shogun vs. Master Ninja S-Heavy 14 -> 15
Sand Blow D-Heavy 16 -> 15
Starlight Fantasia (Endorphins Mix) S-Heavy 15 -> 16 / D-Heavy 15 -> 16
starmine S-Heavy 15 -> 14
Stella Sinistra S-Heavy 15 -> 14
Summer fantasy (Darwin remix) S-Heavy 13 -> 12
SUPER HERO S-Heavy 12 -> 11
The Lonely Streets S-Heavy 10 -> 11 / D-Heavy 10 -> 11
Truare! S-Standard 11 -> 12 / D-Standard 11 -> 12
True Blue D-Heavy 16 -> 15
VEGA S-Heavy 14 -> 15 / D-Heavy 14 -> 15
8000000 S-Standard 10 -> 9

A
ありふれたせかいせいふく S-Heavy 14 -> 13 / D-Heavy 14 -> 13
イーディーエム・ジャンパーズ D-Heavy 11 -> 12
きゅん×きゅんばっきゅん☆LOVE S-Heavy 11 -> 10 / D-Heavy 11 -> 12
君氏危うくも近うよれ S-Heavy 12 -> 11 / D-Heavy 13 -> 12
恋のパズルマジックS-Heavy 11 -> 10
春風ブロ―インウィンド D-Heavy 14 -> 15
宇宙(ソラ)への片道切符 S-Heavy 13 -> 12
チルノのパーフェクトさんすう教室(EDM REMIX) S-Heavy 13 -> 14 / D-Heavy 13 -> 14
ナイト・オブ・ナイツ D-Heavy 15 -> 14
輪廻転生S-Heavy 13 -> 14 / D-Heavy 13 -> 14
恋愛観測 D-Heavy 12 -> 13
ALGORITHM S-Standard 10 -> 11
Astrogazer D-Standard 12 -> 11
Be a Hero! S-Light 9 -> 10
Boss Rush S-Standard 14 -> 15 / D-Standard 14 -> 15
Electric Dance System Music D-Standard 10 -> 11
Eternal Summer S-Light 6 -> 7 / D-Light 6 -> 7
Far east nightbird kors k Remix -DDR edit ver- S-Light 7 -> 6 / D-Standard 11 -> 10
Happy S-Standard 9 -> 8, Heavy 12 -> 11 / D-Heavy 13 -> 12
Hillbilly Shoes S-Heavy 13 -> 12
I Want You To Know S-Heavy 11 -> 10
Life is beautiful S-Heavy 16 -> 15
Love You More S-Standard 12 -> 13
MAX 360 S-Light 12 -> 13, Standard 15 -> 16 / D-Light 12 -> 13
Neutrino D-Heavy 16 -> 17
out of focus S-Standard 12 -> 11 / D-Standard 12 -> 11
Poochie D-Heavy 15 -> 16
POSSESSION (20th Anniversary Mix) S-Heavy 16 -> 17
Puberty Dysthymia D-Standard 13 -> 14
Rejoin D-Heavy 13 -> 14
Sakura Reflection S-Heavy 15 -> 14
Sephirot D-Heavy 13 -> 12
SHION D-Standard 10 -> 11
The Night Away (MK Remix) S-Heavy 12 -> 11
Time Of Our Lives S-Heavy 11 -> 10
Towards the TOWER D-Heavy 12 -> 13

A20
腐れ外道とチョコレゐト S-Standard 12 -> 13 / D-Standard 12 -> 14
ベビーステップ S-Heavy 12 -> 13 / D-Heavy 12 -> 13
未来(ダ)FUTURE S-Heavy 15 -> 14 / D-Heavy 15 -> 14
妄想感傷代償連盟 S-Heavy 12 -> 11
Avenger D-Heavy 17 -> 18
CARTOON HEROES (20th Anniversary Mix) D-Standard 12 -> 13
Dead Heat D-Heavy 14 -> 13
Drop The Bounce S-Heavy 14 -> 15
HAVE YOU NEVER BEEN MELLOW (20th Anniversary Mix) S-Standard 6 -> 7, Heavy 10 -> 11 / D-Standard 6 -> 7
Helios S-Heavy 15 -> 16 / D-Standard 12 -> 13, Heavy 15 -> 16
LONG TRAIN RUNNIN' (20th Anniversary Mix) D-Heavy 13 -> 12
ORCA D-Heavy 18 -> 17
Right Time Right Way D-Heavy 15 -> 14
Seta Para Cima↑↑ S-Standard 10 -> 11 / D-Standard 10 -> 11
Skywalking S-Standard 10 -> 11, Heavy 14 -> 15 / D-Standard 11 -> 12, Heavy 14 -> 15
Small Steps S-Standard 7 -> 6, Heavy 10 -> 9
Splash Gold S-Heavy 16 -> 17
The Light S-Heavy 13 -> 12 / D-Heavy 13 -> 12
Toy Box Factory S-Heavy 14 -> 15 / D-Heavy 14 -> 15
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ポスト #154 · 2019-08-14 02:36:12pmにポスト 2.2月前

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Quite an extensive list. Only one that I can think of off the top of my head that I would add is: TOMORROW by nc ft. Dreamscanner S-Heavy 10 ->11 from DDR SN

ポスト #155 · 2019-08-14 05:40:36pmにポスト 2.2月前

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Strange how that one never raised any flags for me, I guess I agree with you on that one though. I'll add it.
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ポスト #156 · 2019-09-30 02:16:16amにポスト 2.9週間前

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Pluto S-Challenge 16 -> 15, even understanding that it's hell to score on.
I understand why it's rated that high, but if there weren't all those stops and bpm changes, there's 14s that are harder imo. I say this mainly because it seems really silly that I now have the ability to claim I've cleared a 16 even though every 15 I've played so far has been a lot harder to clear.

ポスト #157 · 2019-09-30 03:28:51pmにポスト 2.8週間前

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It's been a while since hnkul posted this list, but I wanted to take this opportunity to look at his rerates and say my thoughts on them.

These are my objections or reservations (since I don't know doubles well, they'll mostly be singles):
A
- Boss Rush DSP 14-15: I think you're overestimating how hard this chart is. The 8th crossovers streams should be trivial to doublestep and there are similar or harder sequences in 14s (e.g. Nephilim). There's a reason lots of people go for New Century DSP as a first pass or PFC. The 16ths in here aren't flanked by jumps like they are in Sakura Reflection, nor is any section particularly dense enough to serve as an egregious choke point. While the slowdown is hard, only the first half is really difficult and doesn't last more than 4 measures at 95BPM until a looser section that allows for gauge-building comes. I can't speak for DDP since I haven't played it
- Sakura Reflection ESP 15-14: See what I said previously. Most of Sakura Reflection's difficulty (imo) stems from the use of 16ths close to jumps, which Boss Rush doesn't have. It also places its 'big stream' at the end after such sections, compared to Boss Rush's more lenient sequences.

2014
- Adularia ESP 14-13: I think this is fine as an entry level 14. The 16th bursts can be hard to get down, especially as they're clustered closely at the song's climax. However, as the stamina requirement is very low, I can see this being firmly 13 level for many people who are proficient at footspeed. I think that any 16th streams you see at this speed in 13s are either laid out like trills or spaced out more (e.g. Dispersion Star).
- Cleopatrysm ESP 15-14: I think this is similarly fine as an entry 15. It's incredibly easy, but there are other candidates I'd put down before this. 190 is a dicey BPM for many (including me), and I can see people tripping up from the awkwardness of this chart paired with the bursts.
- FUNKY SUMMER BEACH ESP 14-13: I wouldn't underestimate the gallops and burst sections here (you yourself know someone that would've struggled with this chart quite a lot a while ago lol). If I were dropping this down, I might honestly consider dropping down PUNISHER and Mind Game too while I'm at it.
- Sakura Mirage ESP 14-13: The jacks and constant pace of crossovers that take you back and forth and back again make this a chart that's hard to recover from once you trip up imo. Compared to Hyena (another 14), it trades the drills for harder patterning and a slightly higher speed. I think this should stay in the 14 zone.

2013
- THE REASON 15-16: This chart is disgustingly vile, but I wouldn't rate it a 16. The stepjump patterns aren't *sustained* here in any form - all of the clusters and bursts are contained within relatively short sections, which allows for recovery and for them to be hit more easily. I think this separates it from other jump-heavy 16s.

I can't comment as well on earlier charts as I don't know them as well.

I would like to add a few rerates hnkul didn't include (again, mostly in newer releases and singles) though:

A20
- No Tears Left To Cry ESP 10-11
- Something Just Like This (Alesso Remix) ESP 10-11
- Procyon ESP 15-14
- Cartoon Heroes 20th Anniversary DSP 14-13 (Yes, I think the original ESP is a 14)
- New Era EDP 17-16
The following is newer content released after he made the list
- Chaos Terror Tech Mix CDP 17-18
- Six String Proof ESP 15-14

A
- Night of Knights CSP 16-17
- Rinne Tensei CSP/CDP 16-17
- All My Heart ESP 13-12
- Neutrino DSP 12-13
- Sennen no Kotowari ESP 12-11
- Chaos Terror Tech Mix ESP 16-15 (although this may be borderline)

2014
- Beach Side Bunny ESP 15-16
- Awaodori ESP 14-15

2013
- Summer Fairytale CSP 14-13
- Air Heroes CSP 17-18

X3
- Tribe CSP 13-14

Also, Pluto should definitely stay a 16. The steps are technical and dense enough that I think it qualifies as a 16 all things considered.

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Quote: talkion
Also, Pluto should definitely stay a 16. The steps are technical and dense enough that I think it qualifies as a 16 all things considered.
I feel like the technical patterns in Pluto are too infrequent to push it all the way to a 16. Arrabbiata has similarly difficult patterns but at a consistent high speed of 225 BPM (although Pluto's spins at the end are slightly faster) and keeps those crossovers and spins going throughout almost the entire song and it's rated a 15.

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Pluto and Chaos Terror Tech are 16s for the BPM changes. Without them they would be 15s. The ratings are the most helpful for players who have never played the songs before and need an idea of what they're getting themselves into, therefore songs with lots of gimmicks should be rated a bit higher, as there's no way to see them coming the first time.

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Quote: talkion
Awaodori ESP 14->15

Why do you think it should be a 15? It does not have any of the qualities to be such a high rating. It's not overly draining, has hard movement, or anything that would throw off a player who just started passing mid 14's.

Awaodori IMO belongs to a large list of charts that are hard 14's, but not quite a 15, but these charts have been misrated into 15's. These are:

PARANOiA KCET CSP & CDP 15 -> 14
Electronic and Treat! ESP 15 -> 14
Sakura Reflection ESP 15 -> 14
Six String Proof ESP 15 -> 14
Samurai Shogun vs. Master Ninja EDP 15 -> 14
Drop The Bounce EDP 15 -> 14
Valkyrie dimension DSP 15 -> 14

IMHO the easiest a 15 should be is PARANOiA survivor ESP.

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Pluto CSP 16 -> 15

Should stay a 16 IMO. It does compete against some other easier 16's such as Life is beautiful, POSSESSION Live Mix and CHAOS Terror Tech Mix ESP (which I do agree with talkion might be a 15).

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THE REASON 15 -> 16

Should become a 16, but barely so -- the entire last quarter of the chart, from the weird green notes until the ending including the 16th jumps, push it above what should be a 15.

and here is some other stuff I noticed while playing, including lower level doubles:

Dance Celebration (System7 Remix) DDP 8 -> 9
Silver Platform -I wanna get your heart- ESP 11 -> 12, EDP 11 -> 12
BALLAD FOR YOU DSP 9 -> 7, ESP 11 -> 9, DDP 9 -> 8, EDP 11 -> 10
Dragon Blade EDP 11 -> 12
iFUTURELIST ESP 12 -> 11
Mind Parasite ESP 13 -> 12, DDP 8 -> 7
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