Post Your Controversial Bemani Opinions

More people post here to complain about that persons posts than they do to actually discuss rhythm games.

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Possibly not controversial, but here goes:

Of all the questionable decisions Konami/Bemani has made, the one I still find myself confused about is letting go of Reflec Beat.
What a way to go, yet not really gone, and even now possibly doesn't have all of its songs revived (at least from what I could tell).

Also, the "We have reached the utmost limit of gameplay" statement is total bull.

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all they did was say lol, it's not that big of a deal

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I think this is the popular opinion, to be honest. In-between DanceRush and DDR, nobody was asking for a third dancing game that's practically Dance Evolution which flopped before.

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Uh La La La is not as bad as people appear to say it is. It's not good, granted, but I think any Worst Chart Evers being flung towards it are a bit of a reach.

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I actually like the chart its .. unique.

if you want a bad ddr chart for sure its a geisha's dream ruffage remix S-

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Ah yeah. IIRC it had two different charts, and both were shit.

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I believe it was S- 9 with the diagonal arrows

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Can't we all just agree that the PS3 game was an abomination and there is no reason what so ever it should be holding it's value like it is?

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I think when DDR S came out it was an exclusive on there...that used the original unremixed chart.

And yes, DDR 2010 is an entire bag of arse, but as the only DDR on PS3 I guess it has uniqueness? I dunno, even the relatively rare ones are cheap on these shores.

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I 100% agree. I don't know what they were thinking with that game. And it's holding it's value? Why? Lol

Honestly in my opinion, that game had soo much potential. Hell, if you datamine the game, you can find unused dlc group jackets of all the other console ddr games, including the hottest party, ultramix and universe games. If they went ahead and added songs from all those games as well, then it probably could have been seen one of the best ddr console games. but nope they only decided to do songs from 5 games call it quits.

The game would have still sucked. You have to play that stupid club mode to unlock anything, and that shit is a chore to play. The interface is awful, the placement for the judgments above their individual receptor was a dumb decision and splitting jumps into separate steps that count for separate judgments made no sense. The way it’s set up it’s unreasonably difficult to stay in a rhythm. I have around 70 home version PFCs and around 80 on Stepmania and finish easy songs with like 30 greats. The scoring itself is also pretty awful, you’re pretty much forced to use that dollar store version of Star Power which is hard enough to use if you sit and play it on a DS3, how are you supposed to play something like Fascination Maxx on a pad and activate that? Making you pay upwards of $100 to have all the available song packs plus the game (assuming you bought it for $60 when it was new) is a bad thing. The unused DLC packs just show that Konami was trying to rip you off. There were 50 songs on the disc with 30 as DLC. For $50 DanceDanceRevolution II on Wii just kicked it in the teeth, in terms of on disc content (83 songs) and the quality you were given. Konami originally trying to make that around $130 instead is actually bad. The Wii counterpart wasn’t great, a lackluster song list is still lackluster even with a better UI, scoring, and unlock system, but getting to just play normally to unlock songs makes it a better game by default even if it has no DLC support. Those 30 songs included on the disc might have made the PS3 version better but as DLC they’re a negative. The game still sells for $40 so you’re looking at $70+ for all the content. You could get the Wii version for like $10 and have a better time.

On more minor notes, the DLC uses group jackets instead of the individual song jackets. Setting song options doesn’t save like on the Wii version so every time you play you have to set those again, and the song wheel UI is navigated with up and down instead of left and right which just feels wrong after so many games using left and right. Also when every song has challenge steps but some are octomove and some are 4 panel it just gets confusing keeping track of what songs have what. Octomove should have been a separate mode.

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so yeah, anyway, ddr ps3 isn't that bad and people extremely need to pull the stick out of their ass about it

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Nah I think I brought up some valid criticism.

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I feel like it’s DDR PS3 that killed the Console games for the series.

Right, not because it was already a dying market come 2007, let alone 2010. And we definitely didn't get one of the best regarded CS titles the year after.

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God forbid I give my opinion It may not have been the sole reason but it definitely aided to its decline.

Quite a few friends of mine got DDR PS3 as it was the only one on that current gen and did not care for at all and to not buy another DDR Game to now (due to much convincing) own tons of DDR games and be avid Stepmania players. The stigma of DDR PS3 being so bad made people who didn’t research DDR II being as good as it was made people just skip it.

Well, guess I'll post my controversial Bemani opinion here, was thinking about it a few months back -- mainly about DDR. Admittedly, I've played for almost 20 yrs now, and I still consider myself an average player (meaning, on the old scale, I could do some 9s, not all, but no 10s). Regardless, the steps were challenging but fun even if I failed a 9.

However, in my opinion, DDR steps have detoured away from having fun steps, to being more challenging. Similar to why I wasn't a fan of ITG back in the day. I'm all for having challenging steps, but at least have them make sense...and quite a few nowadays just don't make sense to me. Some of them I'm kinda like WTF, and I'm not talking super fast tempo songs; those are to be expected to be hard. But, there are a number of great songs that I've seen on Expert that I'm just like "why?" Maybe I'm too old school, but remembering Extreme (JP), Extreme2 PS2, Ultramix 2, Hottest Party1 and 2 (horrible song covers, but charts were "decent"), and DDR X3 vs 2nd, charts can be both hard/challenging and very much still fun with great charts, but now....at least to me, it seems more a focus on charts being chaotic with the challenge.

[Edit:] Oh, also...I have NEVER understood why Konami seemingly prioritized making said challenging and fun charts to KOs instead of licenses. Sure, you have your Cartoon Heroes, Dam Dariram, There You'll Be, and pretty much every license in Extreme2 and Ultramix2, but by comparison, the charts they made for most licenses (especially home versions) were subpar.

For US releases at least, X2 was a turd, the first 4 Wii games were turds, the PS3 game was a turd, Universe 2 was a turd, the 360 port of the PS3 game was a turd, the series was far between good releases for years. Of course it declined in popularity and turned people away.

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