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Post #1021 · Posted at 2019-05-16 04:56:45pm 4.8 years ago

Offline Mr.Music
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I don't know why everyone is so blindsinded by this. Every other bemani game has the same exact thing happen when it gets ported to the US by R1. Sound voltex, DRS, MUSECA, etc all allow for normal play only.
The tradeoff for getting all the asia exclusive licenses is that you cant play extra stage on the gold cabs. Considering how most of the people on this site collectively lose their minds every time asia exclusive licenses come out, you'd think that would be a good thing. Most R1 locations are keeping their white cabs (at least one of them) so it's not like you can't get your .75x and .25x speed mods at all. If you want premium mode, youre gonna have to wait for the ace cabs to get upgraded to A20 like the rest of us.

Post #1022 · Posted at 2019-05-16 05:19:05pm 4.8 years ago

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tbh I think we'll get the asia-exclusive licenses anyways in the localized version since it's likely Konami didn't want to wait and do all this legal stuff when these songs were added via online updates previously and America would've had to wait either way so it wasn't worth their time to try to get the licenses in the middle of the A's lifespan when they could easily add it in the next game since they had time to prepare but that's just a game theory uwu feel free to roast me

also considering D&B didn't get A20 it makes sense the localized version wasn't ready or released yet it's just R1 and they have plenty of unlocalized bemani games released over here legally so if Dave and Buster's confirm A20 is coming, maybe that's when we will see an official English version hopefully with more Western licenses in addition

Post #1023 · Posted at 2019-05-16 05:36:37pm 4.8 years ago

Offline DigitalBasic
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- What makes you think Konami would change their mind and go through another round of licensing fees, etc. to add the licenses to the American version when they haven't done that for 3 years now?
Licensing laws are different per country and it is probably a lot easier to license everything in one go for a new mix for the US than it is to add in new licenses one song at a time. A new mix would be the perfect time to get the licenses up to date.
I can't even be sure that would even happen, but it is possible. We haven't had a mix that had new licenses added as updates until A, and previous mixes did have new licenses when they did release a new mix here so who knows.

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- You talk in the context of playing on A20 only. Since the vast majority of R1s that are getting a gold cab at the moment already have a white cab running Ace with the aforementioned premium play (and if they don't, there are likely to be other white cabs in proximity), players have an option to fall back on if they want to access those features.
There is only so much limited space at an arcade, and music games are certainly not the most profitable games. Adding a gold cab is a perfect excuse for some to move their white cabs around to other locations.
This is not a safe assumption.

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- Yeah, no premium play or Dan mode, etc. sucks. But it's likely that R1s only have it running JP build because Konami doesn't even have a NA build sorted out or finished yet. It's likely that we only got A20 this early in the first place cause R1 was able to use the original JP build anyway. And if A20 does get a NA build by software update, you'll be able to play those on the white cabs and access those features.
But the point of the gold cabs is to have access to exclusive content. R1 bought these cabs and now have none of the edge. Remember, without Premium all unlocks are unplayable. Orca, Avenger, and even the memorial songs are locked. Any other future unlocks are also gone. It's effectively a gold cab just so you can play 15 new songs and... that's it.

Also this has two implications:

1. Konami sold R1 the cabs knowing full well there would be no US release of A20. US white cabs may never move from Ace. In this case, sure, the gold cabs effectively have more, but they also just forgot the US existed again.
2. Konami sold R1 the cabs knowing they are J region cabs when there is a US version on the way. Unless there is a toggle for the region, these cabs are locked as J region machines. Thus, R1 got actively fucked over in buying these cabs.

To quote you
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Konami is ass stupid

I'm hoping they can be switched to the US region in the future when/if that's available, as that would be a best-case scenario for anyone, really. Right now, it's anything. I mean, we have had region locked charts.

Post #1024 · Posted at 2019-05-16 05:36:41pm 4.8 years ago

Offline akio
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My Round 1 still has DDR X and 2 Aces so I'm not going to worry about this.

Yeah, one of the R1s near me already had 2 Ace cabs and an X3. Where are the surplus white cabs gonna go? Or are some locations just gonna have 2+ DDR Machines forever? (Or until there's a Round 1 in every state?)
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Post #1025 · Posted at 2019-05-16 06:03:08pm 4.8 years ago

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The tradeoff for getting all the asia exclusive licenses is that you cant play extra stage on the gold cabs. Considering how most of the people on this site collectively lose their minds every time asia exclusive licenses come out, you'd think that would be a good thing.

No it isn't, because the price becomes a major problem at that point. Recently, Round 1 upped the prices of their major music games to 6.4 credits/game, up from 6. That tips the cost over from a base price of $1.50 to $1.60 per play, and the bulk discounts at the levels one would be expected to load at ($10 or $20, possibly) don't provide enough bonus credits to take down said equivalent price much. I was willing to swallow that cost when I was all but guaranteed 4 songs per credit, as if you have a partner and/or FC everything, getting the Extra Stage was basically a lock and so the cost per song was basically 40 cents. With A20 not having Extra Stage accessibly in the States, now songs cost more than 50 cents a pop and that's when I have to tap out. It's just not worth it at that point.

Post #1026 · Posted at 2019-05-16 07:14:11pm 4.8 years ago

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Quote: DDR Addict
Quote: Mr.Music
The tradeoff for getting all the asia exclusive licenses is that you cant play extra stage on the gold cabs. Considering how most of the people on this site collectively lose their minds every time asia exclusive licenses come out, you'd think that would be a good thing.

No it isn't, because the price becomes a major problem at that point. Recently, Round 1 upped the prices of their major music games to 6.4 credits/game, up from 6. That tips the cost over from a base price of $1.50 to $1.60 per play, and the bulk discounts at the levels one would be expected to load at ($10 or $20, possibly) don't provide enough bonus credits to take down said equivalent price much. I was willing to swallow that cost when I was all but guaranteed 4 songs per credit, as if you have a partner and/or FC everything, getting the Extra Stage was basically a lock and so the cost per song was basically 40 cents. With A20 not having Extra Stage accessibly in the States, now songs cost more than 50 cents a pop and that's when I have to tap out. It's just not worth it at that point.

The easy out for this is to load $100 for the best possible value. I know that's a lot (for me, at least), but that's what everyone is recommending with the new pricing structure.
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Post #1027 · Posted at 2019-05-16 08:01:57pm 4.8 years ago

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I always load up 100 at a time, but no matter how many bonus credits you put on your card, you're still losing money by losing one stage each time you play.

Post #1028 · Posted at 2019-05-16 08:21:03pm 4.8 years ago

Offline Mr.Music
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R1 has always been the more expensive option. You're paying more for accessibility, more games, and better maitnence. When ace first came out, the cost was 2 credits for premium, which would've been $3. How is this any different?

Post #1029 · Posted at 2019-05-17 01:06:56am 4.8 years ago

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R1 has always been the more expensive option. You're paying more for accessibility, more games, and better maitnence. When ace first came out, the cost was 2 credits for premium, which would've been $3. How is this any different?

Ehh better maintenance is debatable.

Post #1030 · Posted at 2019-05-17 01:35:29am 4.8 years ago

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Quote: DJjeff2010
Quote: Mr.Music
R1 has always been the more expensive option. You're paying more for accessibility, more games, and better maitnence. When ace first came out, the cost was 2 credits for premium, which would've been $3. How is this any different?

Ehh better maintenance is debatable.

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Post #1031 · Posted at 2019-05-17 03:03:30am 4.8 years ago

Offline Thunderbird
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But the point of the gold cabs is to have access to exclusive content. R1 bought these cabs and now have none of the edge. Remember, without Premium all unlocks are unplayable. Orca, Avenger, and even the memorial songs are locked. Any other future unlocks are also gone. It's effectively a gold cab just so you can play 15 new songs and... that's it..

Aren't the memorial songs available by default? Also, Ace only locked songs obtained from Extra Savior behind Premium Play, any unlocks obtained via other means (Baby-Lon's Adventure, FLOOR INFECTION) did not require this. I'm not sure if Rinon's Adventure songs needed it or not, since that was an Extra Stage exclusive event.

Quote: Mr.Music
I don't know why everyone is so blindsinded by this. Every other bemani game has the same exact thing happen when it gets ported to the US by R1. Sound voltex, DRS, MUSECA, etc all allow for normal play only.
The tradeoff for getting all the asia exclusive licenses is that you cant play extra stage on the gold cabs. Considering how most of the people on this site collectively lose their minds every time asia exclusive licenses come out, you'd think that would be a good thing. Most R1 locations are keeping their white cabs (at least one of them) so it's not like you can't get your .75x and .25x speed mods at all. If you want premium mode, youre gonna have to wait for the ace cabs to get upgraded to A20 like the rest of us.

The "blindsiding" part was the fact that it was a Japanese version in the first place. Round1 had previously been unable to obtain the Japanese versions of DDR2013 and 2014. A DDR version past X3 didn't show up until Ace got a US release.

Quote: Mr.Music
R1 has always been the more expensive option. You're paying more for accessibility, more games, and better maitnence. When ace first came out, the cost was 2 credits for premium, which would've been $3. How is this any different?

This lasted for less than a week at my Round1 location. By the time I actually showed up to play the game, the premium price had already been dropped to 1 credit.

Honestly, I haven't been playing DDR that much lately. I'll probably just stick to Ace for the most part. At least Ace and A20 share their data, instead of the other games' habits of only allowing a one-time transfer of data from one version to the next.

Post #1032 · Posted at 2019-05-19 10:09:47pm 4.8 years ago

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Looks like there's Western Licenses leaks according to this twitter message...
https://twitter.com/spinning_take/status/1130005770865696768?s=21

Take it as you will but apparently this is the person that leaked gold cabs and the start of A20.

Post #1033 · Posted at 2019-05-19 10:43:52pm 4.8 years ago

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Dang, all of these songs are pretty good Especially Party Rock, Easy, and Good Time, the only bad song is Bop! (I think it's called Bop! because it sounds like a Kids Bop cover.) XD
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Post #1034 · Posted at 2019-05-19 10:52:04pm 4.8 years ago

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BOP! / JoJo Siwa
Easy / Mat Zo & Porter Robinson
Finesse / Bruno Mars
Good Time / Owl City & Carly Rae Jepsen
More More More / Dagny
Party Rock Anthem / LMFAO
This Girl / Kungs v.s. Cookin' on 3 Burners
Touch Me (All Night Long) / Cathy Dennis

NOTES
-Bop is ~2:35. Will they cut it or not?
-Easy provides Porter Robinson with his second BEMANI franchise he's represented in. He also appeared in IIDX under his alias Virtual Self.
-Only one artist repeats from past DDR installments: Bruno Mars, who had two songs in DDR II: Just the Way You Are and a featured turn on Nothin' on You.
-Finesse is only credited to Bruno Mars, meaning the song will most likely not be the version featuring Cardi B. nor will it have the music video.
-Touch Me (All Night Long) is the only song here from before this decade.
-Party Rock Anthem topped the Hot 100, Touch Me went to #2, Finesse got to #3, Good Time reached #8, and This Girl went as high as #26 (it was a much bigger hit in Europe).

Post #1035 · Posted at 2019-05-19 10:56:13pm 4.8 years ago

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Quote: DDR Addict
-Easy provides Porter Robinson with his second BEMANI franchise he's represented in. He also appeared in IIDX under his alias Virtual Riot.
Virtual Self*
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Post #1036 · Posted at 2019-05-19 11:05:32pm 4.8 years ago

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Post #1037 · Posted at 2019-05-19 11:06:45pm 4.8 years ago

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Post #1038 · Posted at 2019-05-19 11:29:33pm 4.8 years ago

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I like these more than the DDR A licenses.
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Post #1039 · Posted at 2019-05-20 12:17:11am 4.8 years ago

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A Jojo Siwa song...

Post #1040 · Posted at 2019-05-20 12:43:43am 4.8 years ago

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lol @ party rock anthem, what year is it

I'm skeptical about this "leak", but maybe it's because I only really like 4 of the songs on this list (Easy, Good Time, This Girl, Touch Me (All Night Long)). Touch Me is surprising to me because that song is almost 30 years old at this point, and the last round of Western licenses on A were all modern-ish songs. This list feels like something they'd have thrown together for a Universe game if they were still making them.
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