General DanceDanceRevolution Discussion

I find 10s -12s a pretty fun break from harder stuff, or to warm up. Small Steps, Our Soul, Drop the Bounce and District of the Shadows are all a good time. Not everyone can play 15+ stuff, and songs that are 15+ on expert have still been getting 11-14 on difficult, so there's a lot of content worth trying.

The longer a franchise goes on, the more the average player skill level goes up. Just a simple truth which is why harder content has been asked for and given more.

I do agree that kawaii voices make me want to vomit, but at the same time, TAG made Splash Gold. So you win some and lose some; all DDR games haev good stuff and shit stuff.

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I find that the primary difference between 10-13 level charts on and on or is that a lot of the lower difficulties are attached to (usually gimmicky) songs that feel like they purposefully left out a lot of the song uncharted, so I can see why people still want to see lower stuff every now and then. The problem with the easier songs on nowadays is that half the time, they're on songs that just aren't enjoyable or well suited for rhythmic stepping in my opinion.

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That's what's popular right now. Vocaloid and "baby voice" songs only make up a small fraction of the song list anyways. There are plenty of other songs in A/A20 that aren't vocaloid or anime.


Would you rather have 75% of the artists being Naoki with a different hat on? Having different music tastes is fine, but saying the songlist is generic EDM is flat out wrong.


You just answered your own question. Why should 15+ footers feel special anyway? DDR not having many charts harder than MAX300, which was released almost 18 years ago, would not be a good sign.


It's one thing to have a different opinion, and another to make blanket statements that essentially mean "new game bad". Plenty of the older DDR songs are still in the game..

TL;DR: ok boomer

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I'm recording one for KONAMIX later tonight, so expect to see that uploaded this week. There's so many CS games that need lists made for them, though. I'm only one clown on the internet.

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Let them move.

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Boom Boom Dollar and I Believe in Miracles are actually some fav Licences actually(especially BBM)

Hi guys, my brother bought a old iPad, and I was able to install the last DDRS+ version of the game, so I was wondering if Anyone here still has the data for the songs (.gen files) to share?

Same both K.O.G remix and the 2nd mix version was gooooood. but opinions.

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Crucify me, cap'n

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I feel like we should actually have like a tierlist thread for people to play along 'n stuff. Is that a good idea or am I dumb?

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Sure, I dont have anything else to do. I bet a lot of us don't.

I agree, but you're still dumb

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Random topic: How does everyone feel about folder lamp achievements in DDR?

From what I gathered from people posting scores and talking about LIFE4 and everything, I personally think folder lamps as a goal do more harm than good.

Pros:
- By attaining folder lamps, you show your dedication, willingness and ability to tackle everything that the difficulty level asks you to do. There's a very neat sense of satisfaction from having brought up all charts in a folder to a certain color or a score.
- It's easy to show. Just close the folder, and you can prove that you cleared, LIFE4'd, FC'd, PFC'd or even MFC'd all the charts in that folder.
- By grinding out charts more, you become more aware of strengths and weaknesses. You can therefore set better smaller goals, such as twists at 170 BPM with all greats and above, drills at 200 BPM with all perfects and above, etc.
- You're inclined to train on things you're weaker at, making you a more well-rounded player. This would fare you well in a tournament, since there will always be something that you think you're weak at. Having memorized more charts would also land you an advantage.

Cons:
- You develop a completionist mentality. If something is there, you HAVE to play it, rather than ignore it and play things you find fun.
- If there are 200 charts in that folder and you happen to enjoy 190 of them, you are going to remember the whole folder for the 10 chart that you don't enjoy instead of the 190 you do enjoy. The end result? You feel terrible about the folder as a whole.
- You will most likely spend 80% of your time and credits grinding out said 10 charts rather than playing stuff you actually like, only to make minimal progress and have very little enjoyment each time you do. Pareto's Principle really plays here.
- When you DO get a folder lamp in your desired color, you'd get upset, rather than excited, when Konami releases new charts and you end up "losing" the lamp. At best, it becomes another chore for you to do. At worst, if it is either filled with gimmicks or turns out to be one of the new hardest charts in that folder, it becomes a serious obstacle for you to get your lamp back, and you end up hating that chart even if it is actually well-made. Even worse if you don't particularly like the song itself, either!
- You'd develop a negative attitude about chart design and about things other people enjoy as a whole. More likely than not,, you're going to forget the appeal of certain patterns and find them just an inconvenience, a mere obstacle that people put to stop you from pursuing your goal of a lamp.

All in all, by grinding out folder lamps, I would predict that you'd end up spending way more time playing things you'd rather not touch and hate playing this game whenever you fail to make any progress towards lamping. You'd hate certain charts for merely existing, and you get bitter when a chart you just can't score on is enjoyed by someone else for its technicality and whatnot. I, as a step maker, would be delighted if something like my M4K3 1T B0UNC3 charts make it to DDR (not that it would), and I'd say a lot of people would praise it as well. If you're a folder lamper however, you are going to absolutely hate it for their jumps and gimmicks, and if you knew I made them, you'd probably hate me for the charts as well. I stand by the viewpoint that DDR is meant to be fun, and if you don't like a certain chart, you can always just not play it and move on with your life.

This is just my opinion on the topic, though. I'd love to hear from people here as well! Do you agree? Disagree? Are there any pros or cons I'm missing regarding lamps?

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You do definitely bring up some very valid points.

I'm speaking as one of those people who grinds for lamps (and have achieved gold from 11-16 on Singles A20). I feel like I grind for lamps, because it gives me a sense of accomplishment.

Grinding for lamps can help you perform better in tournaments (which you touched on). For Upper division tournaments, the 1st round typically starts out with a Level 14-16 song pool, with each difficulty level being weighted. Songs are decided via a random card draw (usually 3 or 5 drawn, two vetoed) and basically any 14, 15, or 16 could be drawn. If someone had gone through the grinding process and a really obscure 14 had been selected as a song to play, that person who spent time grinding out a chart would be at an advantage (in relation to a person who might be sightreading a chart). I realize that you talked about this already, but mostly just reiterating and giving a little more context

Besides being useful for tournament play, grinding lamps seems to have helped many players discover songs and charts that they never would have played otherwise. From what I've seen, many people actually end up enjoying a lot of the charts they discover and end up enjoying charts that they previously they didn't like (possibly because they didn't understand it the first couple times around). In some ways incentivizing lamps can motivate newer players to push a little outside their comfort zone and build new skill sets.

I do agree that grinding for lamps definitely isn't for everyone. It can be very tedious and frustrating, especially now that the 14 and 15 folders have over 100 charts within them.

Even for those who are lamp motivated, like myself, we don't necessarily spend all our play time going for those folder lamps. I have definitely gotten burnt out at times, and at that point I will switch what the goal of the session that day is (maybe shifting to working on MA-ing Level 13s or trying to improve some 18s, where keeping a Gold Combo is not as much of a pressure)

Speaking to your point about reattaining lamps, I'm personally more excited when there's new content, even if it means I have to work at the lamp again. I've been very satisfied with Konami's charting overall and generally am just eager for new content. If a new 14/15 comes out, it's usually not an issue for me to regain my gold lamp. Triperfect number was an exception, that one was frustrating, but I still like the song and think the chart is well-written and everything. (But that's just me)

Well that was a lot

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I love reading replies like yours, because you actually speak as someone who has a positive experience grinding for things I think aren't so great. For the most part, I like the idea of at least giving every song in the game a chance. And at least clear lamps are great because you do find songs you may otherwise never touch or find patterns that you find easy/hard and such. Like you said, there definitely are charts that grow on you the more you play them even if you didn't like it at first. It's when people feel the obligation, rather than a sense of ambition to go for gold or white and get frustrated with one particular arrow in one chart that they bash the whole folder for it that it starts to get toxic and takes away from one's level of enjoyment.

I don't have a problem with going for lamps if they really are a motivator like in your case. I'm glad it's working for you! I've just seen so many people talk about gimmicky chart releases and having to work for lamps again for personal reasons that I felt that it really devalued the mostly great content Konami has been bringing in as of late.

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I like doing things on my own terms. I never really go into dance game session with any set goal; I just play for the sake of playing. If I try to go for LIFE4 rankings and lamps and whatnot, I just end up stressing myself out by trying to hyperfocus and it ends with me getting absolutely nowhere. If lamping and shooting for rankings works for you, then great, all power to you. It just never worked for me personally.

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https://twitter.com/GayRobot_/status/1261295445671841792
Regarding DDR V, AaronInJapan woke up to some hate mail wishing death upon Konami devs
i don't wanna blow this out of proportion since this stuff isn't uncommon but still, don't be toxic, and especially don't wish death among people, and ESPECIALLY during this time,,, that is all

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