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Post #41 · Posted at 2015-02-22 12:53:56am 9.1 years ago

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It's not easy to have a kit and keep it profitable for an arcade to have. If there was support, would the support be enough to keep the machine alive?
pretty much this.
you've gotta think about it in long term. aside from you and a some few other people, is there any desire for having a DDR 2014 machine in your local area? is that desire large enough to keep business going for the arcade? is that business large enough to make a profit on the machine? will the risks be worth it? will the hassle of setting everything up be worth it?
if only some people are going to play the machine, regardless of how badly they may want it, the truth of the matter is that the arcade itself isn't making a profit on it. and most arcades see that. ddr isn't a hot commodity anymore. you gotta realize that people want something different.
if there's a community for it in the area, then okay. is that community going to supply the profit needed for the arcade to make a benefit from it? i doubt it.
tl;dr, you're better off homebrewing it, as much as you don't want to. it's better than nothing.

Their is a community for DDR in Houston, and I have a feeling that the locals at most of the locations in the area would be more than willing to support it.
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Post #42 · Posted at 2015-02-22 12:56:13am 9.1 years ago

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is that community going to supply the profit needed for the arcade to make a benefit from it? i doubt it.
just because there's some who want it doesn't mean it's going to be something the public wants, and if the public doesn't want it, it's just a waste of time for the arcade.

Post #43 · Posted at 2015-02-22 12:58:29am 9.1 years ago

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you also need to put into consideration of how dead DDR is nowadays

the only reason other games like beatmania and other games are starting to see some light over here is because those games still have a massive fanbase whereas DDR's fanbase died after extreme

would anyone play the machine but you? would the only coins being put into the machine are your coins? put it into consideration

Post #44 · Posted at 2015-02-22 01:02:21am 9.1 years ago

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1 If DDR's fanbase was dead after extreme, then we probably wouldn't even see a DDR 2014 in the states.
2 Yes, I'm pretty sure their would be people besides myself who want to play it.
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Post #45 · Posted at 2015-02-22 01:09:35am 9.1 years ago

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1 If DDR's fanbase was dead after extreme, then we probably wouldn't even see a DDR 2014 in the states.
2 Yes, I'm pretty sure their would be people besides myself who want to play it.
1) There are 15 machines in the US. 48 machines in Japan (possibly more). I can list a few reasons why, but I'm afraid you'd gloss over them and not really read the fine print.

2) Name a few. If the number of people is fewer than a 100 that are willing to spend every day at least approximately $50 worth of DDR 2014 then I'm sorry but you don't have any backing for it. Unless a private owner gets a DDR 2013 kit, you are just out of luck.

Post #46 · Posted at 2015-02-22 04:38:32pm 9.1 years ago

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1 Just list them I won't glance over them, and note I said in the states because Konami has home field advantage in Japan.
2 foffle, c-truth, Kamek, Stradd, simex48,myself, and probably other people I can't list off the top of my head.


Wow, this forum derailed very quickly. I do have some good news. I got a comment on my Facebook post on Zuma Fun centers Timeline. They think it's a great suggestion. So now we know that they think it would be a good idea. We just need to find a kit.
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Post #47 · Posted at 2015-02-22 06:22:08pm 9.1 years ago

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...willing to spend every day at least approximately $50 worth of DDR 2014...

That's ridiculous.

Post #48 · Posted at 2015-02-22 07:10:34pm 9.1 years ago

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... that are willing to spend every day at least approximately $50 worth of DDR 2014 then I'm sorry but you don't have any backing for it. Unless a private owner gets a DDR 2013 kit, you are just out of luck.
$50/$0.75*=66.6666666666...rounds of 3 songs each
66.6666... roundsx10 minutes each=666.666666...minutes
666.666666...minutes/60 minutes per hour=11.1111111...hours
.11111...*60 minutes per hour=6.666666666...minutes
*based off of 8OTB's price

So, if my math is correct, $50 equals about 11 hours 6 minutes and 11 seconds, or way too much DDR for one day (unless you're doing a marathon, which I don't think anyone would do everyday).

Post #49 · Posted at 2015-02-22 09:11:29pm 9.1 years ago

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That's just a number I pulled off the top of my head that would be a reasonable amount of time and play for a DDR machine to be profitable for a franchising arcade. It may be a bit too much, but if it's not racking enough money then why would they have paid so much money for a machine that gets so little attraction?

I'd love for more machines to pop up everywhere, but the costs just wouldn't justify the value for the machine to be brought over here. Porting over jubeat, Reflec beat, Pop N' music, sometimes even IIDX's are far cheaper than DDR cabs for some strange reason, depending on if this is SOLELY for a white cabinet.

Now I'm just getting tired of explaining this, coffee, I wish you the best of luck trying to get a DDR 2014 machine, just please remember to be as patient and open-minded as you can when it comes to these things. You can't really rush these things no matter how badly you want it. I'd hate for an arcade location to have to shut down/re-locate due to little to no activity from their machines.

Post #50 · Posted at 2015-02-22 09:49:58pm 9.1 years ago

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To let everyone know, I posted a wanted listing for a kit on Highway Entertainment. Also, I think I found a better venue for the kit rather than Zuma Fun Center. Speedy's Fast Track. They Currently have a DDR Extreme that is unlocked. It's 2 Tokens for 5 Songs, good pads, decent volume. The only problem, is that the pads are to close to the machine, but you'll get used to it quickly. They also have other cool games that bring in plenty of Money, Street Fighter 3 3rd strike, killer instinct, just to name a few. They even managed to get in some new games when I went, and I just got back a while ago from the place. I'll update them as soon as I can. Check it out here.
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Post #51 · Posted at 2015-02-22 10:05:00pm 9.1 years ago

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ugh, you're clearly not getting the fact that the DDR kit is probably not going to happen.

i realize that you're trying to be optimistic but dude, come on

Post #52 · Posted at 2015-02-22 10:07:39pm 9.1 years ago

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I would say something, but we would just be going in circles.
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Post #53 · Posted at 2015-02-22 10:12:14pm 9.1 years ago

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this thread already has been going in circles since point one..

me, and MANY other users have made it very clear in posts that it is most likely not going to happen. yet you keep thinking somehow magically some arcade is going to be able to pull a 2000$+ setup out of their ass like magic

if the arcades knows nothing about bemani, or anything; then they will probably not be able to get it. if they have a newer machine running, like IIDX or pop'n on programmed world, then that arcade knows a bit about bemani and might be able to get their hands on one.

if they just bought a supernova machine for no reason other then to take up space for the arcade then they have no idea what they're doing and probably don't even pay attention to the machine

it's all about knowing or caring, and if the arcade doesn't really care to put that much effort onto one game then it's not going to happen. i'm not trying to shut you down, but i feel like this needs to stop going in circles

Post #54 · Posted at 2015-02-22 10:21:59pm 9.1 years ago

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1 Because we met at the worst time possible, and we just derailed the forum even more.
2 Let me make this clear. I KNOW IT'S GOING TO BE HARD TO GET IT. THAT'S WHY I NEED HELP How many times do I have to repeat myself? I mean, it took Kon a year to get a kit in Illinois, so that gave a sign that it's gonna be a challenge.
3 Thing is, we don't have beatmania or pop'n music in Houston. The best we can get is DJ Max Technika 3 at Game Guys. By getting a DDR 2014, that opens up the chance for beatmania and pop'n music.
4 No Comment on that.
5 They take good care of the machine at location I mentioned aside from the pads too close to the machine, which you get used to pretty quickly.
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Post #55 · Posted at 2015-02-22 11:35:29pm 9.1 years ago

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Getting DDR =/= getting iidx.
DDR is dead.

Post #56 · Posted at 2015-02-23 12:08:08am 9.1 years ago

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So what, getting iidx means getting DDR? Well then were screwed with that to, because Houston doesn't have Beatmania. We've never really had Beatmania or pop'n music, and Like I said, DJ Max Technika 3 isn't even at an actual arcade. Game Guys is just Repair/ Console Game Tournaments that just happens to have a few arcade games.
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Post #57 · Posted at 2015-02-23 12:54:11am 9.1 years ago

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I never said iidx can get ddr.

Post #58 · Posted at 2015-02-23 12:57:31am 9.1 years ago

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That's the vibe I'm getting. Just saying. Think about it, what came first at Nanuet, DDR 2014, or IIDX?
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Post #59 · Posted at 2015-02-23 01:15:40am 9.1 years ago

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What is that trying to even prove?

DDR 2014 could have come first, but I'm sure iidx is making more profit, regardless of the number of players.

You can have one dude put in $20 for iidx as opposed to 10 players putting in $1 throughout the day for DDR and then moving on with another game. There is a reason why things are how they are.

If it helps you sleep at night, then I suggest looking up the official simfiles for the ddr games in the mean time. If you don't like them, then I'm sure you can find the same crossover done to death already (ex: Nageki no ki or Vanessa) from other users throughout the years.

Don't limit yourself to what a game has to offer if it isn't going anywhere any time soon. Yes, the new event is coming out, but it's not worth shelling out so much money for it, from the perspective of an arcade owner.

Post #60 · Posted at 2015-02-23 01:19:56am 9.1 years ago

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But Aegis, he doesn't like using homebrew that much to be honest. He likes to play the real deal. He only uses stepmania when studying step charts. Don't you remember page 2?
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