Can any video game be art? Where are we now?

In 2010 the Internet debated against Roger Ebert's http://www.rogerebert.com/rogers-journal/video-games-can-never-be-art/ with articles like http://www.cracked.com/blog/why-ebert-is-wrong-in-defense-of-games-as-art/ to which he can only say https://twitter.com/ebertchicago/status/16973446579/ The article made gamers scramble to find artistically games. Gamers finally started to notice under appreciated games such as Rez and PyschoNauts. But where are we now? How is it going now with the PlayStation 4 and XBox One?

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if anyone says video game's aren't art then they're being ridiculously dumb

i can understand the difference between a painting being art and a video game being art, but they are VERY different from each other on every level

the time, effort and dedication it takes to make a game; even with a development team is what makes it art

also, the rhythm games that most of us on this site play (pop'n, DDR, SDVX) is art as well as having lots of professional artwork done for the game.

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Considering there was a thing on games as art at the Barbican recently, I'm going to go for yes.

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Ebert said video games aren't art because the player creates their own experience rather than experience something created by an artist. I think he was wrong though, the creators of the video games create the virtual environment in which you experience things within the limits they said. So I think it's definitely just complex art. Then again the definition of art is extremely subjective and may break down entirely if you analyze it enough in my opinion.

I feel like we've had this exact thread before...

Anyway, when I went to the MOMA on vacation a few weeks ago, they had a special exhibit on Lygia Clark, who went from art of geometry to "Neo-concretism": she created metal sculptures that had hinges that the audience was intended to manipulate. There was no correct or true form of the object, only what the participant got out of it. The object itself was considered art even with this element; in fact, it was considered the pinnacle of her "true art" before she moved to performance art and then abandoned art altogether.

You can probably guess how this parallelism is going. In creating an environment that the user can manipulate (though with constraints, in Clark's case how many hinges were used and in a programmer's case, how much the user can manipulate), a video game can be considered art (I imagine an open sort of game would be the most likely to be considered as such. In fact in the MOMA collection of video games, Minecraft was highlighted on about these parameters, and it was one of the only modern games included).

Is movies art? there you go, obviously its art....

Art at its core is people expressing themselves through some medium. It can really be anything provided someone picks up on the expression. Video games can most certainly be art as it encompasses that expression from the developers and all that contributed to the making of that game. Many games require talents for writing story/lore, concept art, sound design, and cinematography, which makes it a "compound" art of a sort.

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I think where we are right now is that we are very disturbed artists. We have a thing for rampant kleptomania, misogyny, and admiring video games as art, but never getting around to actually doing it. We have made some progress getting more people into video games through cell phone games, but the failure of the Wii U goes to show it is time to move on. I have only kept moderate track of the newest franchises since I am tired of video games only focusing on fun and novelty. I am still waiting to see something more sophisticated.

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In my opinion, if something involves a creative process, it's art.

Games as art? http://www.alexanderocias.com/loved.php

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ArtGame

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Book marked the TV Tropes list. That list has some games on it I don't know about. I am currently investigating all of the video games that I have read people claim are art. I am checking out Portal 2 and Fall Out 3 right now.

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