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Post #1 · Posted at 2014-05-29 02:01:42am 9.8 years ago

Offline Pika-Vix
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I recently bought a Pump It Up 3rd OBG (MK1? MK3v1 system) from a local arcade operator. The original owner said the game worked, but I am finding a lot of problems with it that a normal arcade operator would not notice (Mono treble, sticky/ghost sensors, lights dim or out, and it crashing in song selection to gameplay). Now, I was originally trying to buy a Exceed 2 'cause I like that mix, but I got personally connected with with owner and he threw in rare machines that I couldn't let slide. In all, I am not impressed with my buy and am wondering what is the best option to upgrade it? I have converted a DDR Supernova to OpenITG and would like to do about the same with Pump it up, but am not sure what would need to be rewired and what could be plugged into a J-Pac/I-Pac and so on. I am asking here since today I found that I had my machine crash on me three times while trying to select a song and I need a fix for it before it gets worse and I have gotten amazing help from this forum before when helping me convert my Supernova.

In total, should I get a new pump computer or convert it over with my all ready to go Stepmania PC where I need to convert the machine to have it fit?

Back of the machine
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Close up of the back of the PC
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Crash screen
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Thank you~

UPDATE~



I was one step away from cutting wiring, when I was reminded about an arcade machine I broke for not thinking things completely through and asking for a second opinion.

Here are some more pictures for the internet to have.

I labeled all of the wires I could, but don't understand many of the wires on the jamma strip.
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PIU pad board, just 'cause I was messing with the pads.
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Inside the MK3
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Top of the MK3
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Does it need more ram? Meh.
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Repair tag says the machine was at one time in Pennsylvania.
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Post #2 · Posted at 2014-05-29 02:29:49am 9.8 years ago

Offline Tyma
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Quote: Pika-Vix

Repair tag says the machine was at one time in Pennsylvania.
https://scontent-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/t1.0-9/10352780_10202288295516658_2616596776085880849_n.jpg

The Repair Tag also tells us that it has an MK3 board, which will only run Pump It Up, 2nd Dancefloor or OBG :[

I'd hold off on doing anything, but I think that either way, a new PC is going to have to go into the cabinet, along with either a new IO board or an iPac.

Are you happy with Stepmania running on the machine? Pump It Up Pro is a cool piece of software, and combines every song in ythje series into one really slick package, but a lot of people don't like that it (and other Stepmania builds) change the gameplay so much that it's not really Pump anymore, but re-skinned DDR.

You could run the PC build of Prex 3, which is very nice, but doesn't support the coin mech.

I think anything more arcade authentic than that is going to require time and money, so perhaps one of those options will be a stop-gap? Either way, I'd hold out on doing anything, until someone who knows Pump machines very well (Toby?) can give you some better advice.

Post #3 · Posted at 2014-05-29 03:47:47am 9.8 years ago

Offline Pika-Vix
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So, basically what I have is the highest thing I could get? I don't know what boards can play what, specifically what this board could play.

Well, I can get this machine to play, but I can't rely on it, you know?

I love Stepmania, but I like the lights blinking on it as well. I have a Stepmania built program to throw in it, which acts just like Pump it Up Pro:


It's just that if I would buy an official unit it would be a Pro series since it's the only game I loved other than Fiesta 2. I love DDR's layout, but I am trying to get people to want to play PIU and no one is interested in playing it since it's too different from DDR. 'Cause I have shown this to many people and they ask me where are the rest of the songs and give me a look when I say that's it.


Thank you~

Post #4 · Posted at 2014-05-29 04:00:59am 9.8 years ago

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So, basically what I have is the highest thing I could get? I don't know what boards can play what, specifically what this board could play.

Well, I can get this machine to play, but I can't rely on it, you know?

I love Stepmania, but I like the lights blinking on it as well. I have a Stepmania built program to throw in it, which acts just like Pump it Up Pro 2:


It's just that if I would buy an official unit it would be a Pro series since it's the only game I loved other than Fiesta 2. I love DDR's layout, but I am trying to get people to want to play PIU and no one is interested in playing it since it's too different from DDR. 'Cause I have shown this to many people and they ask me where are the rest of the songs and give me a look when I say that's it.


Thank you~

if you want Exceed/Fiesta 2, you are looking to buy MK6v1 board, along with a new PIUIO. MK6v1 allows all mixes from Exceed2 to Fiesta 2 to run, provided you pair it with enough RAM. New MK6v1s are not sold anymore, so you need to buy it second hand, or build it yourself (building it yourself is cheaper but it will be harder to find the components). Building will cost you ~$150 (plus another $100 for PIUIO), whilst buying second hand will cost ~$500-600, tho I don't have exact specs in my hand (it's a combination of Gigabyte GA-8IPE1000, nVidia GeForce 5200 and any Pentium 4 chip iirc). MK6v1 also allows you to run StepMania/PIUPRO with enough RAM.
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Post #5 · Posted at 2014-05-29 05:26:34am 9.8 years ago

Offline Pika-Vix
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Quote: daikirai
Quote: Pika-Vix
So, basically what I have is the highest thing I could get? I don't know what boards can play what, specifically what this board could play.

Well, I can get this machine to play, but I can't rely on it, you know?

I love Stepmania, but I like the lights blinking on it as well. I have a Stepmania built program to throw in it, which acts just like Pump it Up Pro 2:
[removed video]

It's just that if I would buy an official unit it would be a Pro series since it's the only game I loved other than Fiesta 2. I love DDR's layout, but I am trying to get people to want to play PIU and no one is interested in playing it since it's too different from DDR. 'Cause I have shown this to many people and they ask me where are the rest of the songs and give me a look when I say that's it.
[removed video]

Thank you~

if you want Exceed/Fiesta 2, you are looking to buy MK6v1 board, along with a new PIUIO. MK6v1 allows all mixes from Exceed2 to Fiesta 2 to run, provided you pair it with enough RAM. New MK6v1s are not sold anymore, so you need to buy it second hand, or build it yourself (building it yourself is cheaper but it will be harder to find the components). Building will cost you ~$150 (plus another $100 for PIUIO), whilst buying second hand will cost ~$500-600, tho I don't have exact specs in my hand (it's a combination of Gigabyte GA-8IPE1000, nVidia GeForce 5200 and any Pentium 4 chip iirc). MK6v1 also allows you to run StepMania/PIUPRO with enough RAM.

There is a local family fun center that has an Exceed 2 that has their machine set really low on credits (.25 / 3 songs). I may ask them to do a trade or cash&trade, I know their machine has as many problems as my machine does though. However, I am thinking that may not work for one group if things need to be converted around. Not sure though.

I am not sure if it's the same, but I have a Dell Optiplex GX280 ( http://www.cnet.com/products/dell-optiplex-gx280/specs/ ) Think I could try to drop a PIUIO in it? I have a feeling it's not going to work out in the way I want it, but the specs look about the same to a little better. I have just never messed with the hardware on my computer(s) before, though I have friends that do with their computers that are wanting to help upgrade my machine. Think that would work or would I need that PC that you stated?

Thank you~

Post #6 · Posted at 2014-05-29 06:48:37am 9.8 years ago

Offline Lisek
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Quote: Pika-Vix
I love Stepmania, but I like the lights blinking on it as well. I have a Stepmania built program to throw in it, which acts just like Pump it Up Pro:

Sorry to hijack the topic but would you mind saying me what is this folder with songs? Where to get it or anything? Steps looks kinda good, would like to play them.

Post #7 · Posted at 2014-05-29 03:00:55pm 9.8 years ago

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Quote: Lisek
Quote: Pika-Vix
I love Stepmania, but I like the lights blinking on it as well. I have a Stepmania built program to throw in it, which acts just like Pump it Up Pro:
[Removed]
Sorry to hijack the topic but would you mind saying me what is this folder with songs? Where to get it or anything? Steps looks kinda good, would like to play them.

That's part of Renard's "5 Step Adventure" game that got canceled. You can download the whole pack here: http://renard.teknolust.org/renstep/old/stepsite/index5.html

If you want the program I would need to find it again, I searched for this one for about two days since it was hosted on a lot of sites that were taken down.

Post #8 · Posted at 2014-05-29 03:39:59pm 9.8 years ago

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Quote: Pika-Vix
So, basically what I have is the highest thing I could get? I don't know what boards can play what, specifically what this board could play.

Well, I can get this machine to play, but I can't rely on it, you know?

I love Stepmania, but I like the lights blinking on it as well. I have a Stepmania built program to throw in it, which acts just like Pump it Up Pro 2:
[removed video]

It's just that if I would buy an official unit it would be a Pro series since it's the only game I loved other than Fiesta 2. I love DDR's layout, but I am trying to get people to want to play PIU and no one is interested in playing it since it's too different from DDR. 'Cause I have shown this to many people and they ask me where are the rest of the songs and give me a look when I say that's it.
[removed video]

Thank you~

if you want Exceed/Fiesta 2, you are looking to buy MK6v1 board, along with a new PIUIO. MK6v1 allows all mixes from Exceed2 to Fiesta 2 to run, provided you pair it with enough RAM. New MK6v1s are not sold anymore, so you need to buy it second hand, or build it yourself (building it yourself is cheaper but it will be harder to find the components). Building will cost you ~$150 (plus another $100 for PIUIO), whilst buying second hand will cost ~$500-600, tho I don't have exact specs in my hand (it's a combination of Gigabyte GA-8IPE1000, nVidia GeForce 5200 and any Pentium 4 chip iirc). MK6v1 also allows you to run StepMania/PIUPRO with enough RAM.

There is a local family fun center that has an Exceed 2 that has their machine set really low on credits (.25 / 3 songs). I may ask them to do a trade or cash&trade, I know their machine has as many problems as my machine does though. However, I am thinking that may not work for one group if things need to be converted around. Not sure though.

I am not sure if it's the same, but I have a Dell Optiplex GX280 ( http://www.cnet.com/products/dell-optiplex-gx280/specs/ ) Think I could try to drop a PIUIO in it? I have a feeling it's not going to work out in the way I want it, but the specs look about the same to a little better. I have just never messed with the hardware on my computer(s) before, though I have friends that do with their computers that are wanting to help upgrade my machine. Think that would work or would I need that PC that you stated?

Thank you~

No, your Optiplex will not work; Pump expects exact sound and video chip as listed in its harddrive before it even boots. Exceed2 is also made for MK5, you don't want MK5 since it will only run Prex3 until Zero. You will need to check the machine first when it's booting, if it says "Andamiro MK6 Boot Loader" then you're good to go. I/O wise, you need to rewire things again with the new PIUIO because in MK6 the I/O board is now USB-based rather than ISA-based.
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Post #9 · Posted at 2014-05-29 03:58:36pm 9.8 years ago

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Quote: daikirai
Quote: Pika-Vix
Quote: daikirai
if you want Exceed/Fiesta 2, you are looking to buy MK6v1 board, along with a new PIUIO. MK6v1 allows all mixes from Exceed2 to Fiesta 2 to run, provided you pair it with enough RAM. New MK6v1s are not sold anymore, so you need to buy it second hand, or build it yourself (building it yourself is cheaper but it will be harder to find the components). Building will cost you ~$150 (plus another $100 for PIUIO), whilst buying second hand will cost ~$500-600, tho I don't have exact specs in my hand (it's a combination of Gigabyte GA-8IPE1000, nVidia GeForce 5200 and any Pentium 4 chip iirc). MK6v1 also allows you to run StepMania/PIUPRO with enough RAM.

There is a local family fun center that has an Exceed 2 that has their machine set really low on credits (.25 / 3 songs). I may ask them to do a trade or cash&trade, I know their machine has as many problems as my machine does though. However, I am thinking that may not work for one group if things need to be converted around. Not sure though.

I am not sure if it's the same, but I have a Dell Optiplex GX280 ( http://www.cnet.com/products/dell-optiplex-gx280/specs/ ) Think I could try to drop a PIUIO in it? I have a feeling it's not going to work out in the way I want it, but the specs look about the same to a little better. I have just never messed with the hardware on my computer(s) before, though I have friends that do with their computers that are wanting to help upgrade my machine. Think that would work or would I need that PC that you stated?

Thank you~

No, your Optiplex will not work; Pump expects exact sound and video chip as listed in its harddrive before it even boots. Exceed2 is also made for MK5, you don't want MK5 since it will only run Prex3 until Zero. You will need to check the machine first when it's booting, if it says "Andamiro MK6 Boot Loader" then you're good to go. I/O wise, you need to rewire things again with the new PIUIO because in MK6 the I/O board is now USB-based rather than ISA-based.

Gotcha. So, Exceed 2 can run off of MK5 or MK6?

Just so I know, since I have heard that the lines coming out of the pads for DDR and PIU are different in communication, could I connect the wires in direct from the pads to an I-pac, or would they be required to go through the PUMPIO first, like how DDR works? I'm just looking at options since I know I can't buy the parts to make a new computer at this time. With the new PUMPIO do you know if the conversion would happen with the whole pad to CPU line or would they throw in a conversion at the end of the line at the CPU end?

Post #10 · Posted at 2014-05-29 04:16:23pm 9.8 years ago

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Quote: Pika-Vix
That's part of Renard's "5 Step Adventure" game that got canceled. You can download the whole pack here: http://renard.teknolust.org/renstep/old/stepsite/index5.html

If you want the program I would need to find it again, I searched for this one for about two days since it was hosted on a lot of sites that were taken down.
Thank you. Didn't even know that any bits from 5SA were released to public.

About simulator, thanks, I'm fine, I have it since the moment it was out Tongue

Post #11 · Posted at 2014-05-29 05:45:54pm 9.8 years ago

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FYI, those aren't 5 Step Adventure, they're just random 5-panel files Renard made. Nothing of 5SA ever even got made, except for the soundtrack.

Post #12 · Posted at 2014-11-07 07:36:09am 9.3 years ago

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Quote: FlameyBoy
FYI, those aren't 5 Step Adventure, they're just random 5-panel files Renard made. Nothing of 5SA ever even got made, except for the soundtrack.
I just assumed since K4 had Mungyodance add-ons in it.


UPDATE:

Would this be something that's a computer error, disc error, or a disc drive error? Compare to the video above.





Update~

In total, I ended up rewiring the pads and had to throw out the monitor since it wouldn't sync up to my computer. Works pretty well other than the fact that the program I have in the machine likes to crash during the demo mode.

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Basically what I did was I took the original wiring and put Molex connectors on it so I could still play 3rd OGB, as seen in both pictures. I then used the voltage cord as a route to the machine, using Molex connectors to make two different paths at both ends, and used the Molex monster on the right of the second picture to bypass the PIU I/O board and jump right into the sensors.

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The wiring between the pads and the machine was left the same since I used the voltage wires. I just used more Molex connectors at the cabinet side so I could switch easily between original and SM. Ran the wires into the coin door where the I-Pac sits inside.


Right after I got the machine working at 5AM~


Playing Hanky Panky a few months after converting.

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In total it took about three days to rewire the cabinet. -- Only messed up on two sensors...
Replaced the amp since I found the PIU amp in there only outputted in mono from my computer and it sounded bad.
Added a Party light in the marquee and it made more people interested in playing 'cause people like pretty lights.



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I know I'm crazy, but I enjoyed doing it~
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