Post #5681 · Posted at 2015-04-18 12:39:37am 9 years ago
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Flawed Up Math
Not trying to be mean, but your math is faulty. First off, 3:30 is not 330 seconds, it is 3 minutes and 30 seconds, which is 210 seconds. So the values should be 210.13 and 210.43
Next, that is a flawed way to calculate the BPM. Dividing any two numbers that are close to each other will result in a number close to 1, no matter what. Ex: 573÷555 = 1.0324324... ≈ 1. Instead, you should subtract to find the difference between the two times. So, 210.43−210.13 = 0.30 seconds, which is the duration of one beat.
Now we can find the beats per minute, or beats per 60 seconds, by dividing. You can imagine dividing 60 seconds into 0.3-second chunks. 60÷0.3 = 200 BPM.
That is how to correctly calculate the BPM. I hope this helps you to avoid making this mistake in the future.
THANKS! I just did it in a flawed up way. Now all we just need is how OTP sounds like.
I predict that OTP will speed up to 400 BPM somewhere around this song due to 's groove radar values indicating that there is alot of voltage.
Post #5682 · Posted at 2015-04-18 03:12:32am 9 years ago
If you Getting PFC at the songs of the "Max Quartet" Course. MAYBE remove the PFC conditions at the "Over the Period"
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Post #5683 · Posted at 2015-04-18 03:21:09am 9 years ago
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I predict that OTP will speed up to 400 BPM somewhere around this song due to 's groove radar values indicating that there is alot of voltage.
I might have missed something, but when have we seen the groove radar for Over The "Period"? It's not selectable on the song wheel as an ENCORE EXTRA STAGE.
Post #5684 · Posted at 2015-04-18 03:30:03am 9 years ago
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I predict that OTP will speed up to 400 BPM somewhere around this song due to 's groove radar values indicating that there is alot of voltage.
I might have missed something, but when have we seen the groove radar for Over The "Period"? It's not selectable on the song wheel as an ENCORE EXTRA STAGE.
Correction??? Sorry if I am using another person's image.
Post #5685 · Posted at 2015-04-18 03:36:24am 9 years ago
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Oh, I forgot about those.
Post #5686 · Posted at 2015-04-18 03:54:15am 9 years ago
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If you Getting PFC at the songs of the "Max Quartet" Course. MAYBE remove the PFC conditions at the "Over the Period"
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Post #5687 · Posted at 2015-04-18 05:01:31am 9 years ago
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I predict that OTP will speed up to 400 BPM somewhere around this song due to :lig:'s groove radar values indicating that there is alot of voltage.
I know that but....Correction??? Sorry if I am using another person's image.
I have spent time calculating how Voltage works.
The formula to find Voltage is Avg BPM * Highest Density of Notes within 4 beats/4. If this value is greater than 600, Voltage is greater than 100
The Voltage value is just over 100.
The maximum note density so far is 14. Based on this, I'm estimating that the average BPM is 600/(14notes/4 beats)=171.428571=around 172BPM.
The BPM may double to 400 at some point, but the slow beginning really brings down the average BPM. It doesn't really seem like there will be an extensively long 400 BPM section.
Post #5688 · Posted at 2015-04-18 06:06:17am 9 years ago
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If you Getting PFC at the songs of the "Max Quartet" Course. MAYBE remove the PFC conditions at the "Over the Period"
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Post #5689 · Posted at 2015-04-18 06:26:53am 9 years ago
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if you mfc Valkyrie dimension challenge on stealth maybe the unlock conditions will be easier?????!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
on topic, how do you get those images that are basically the results screen but different, like in Arrows&Beats' earlier post?
on topic, how do you get those images that are basically the results screen but different, like in Arrows&Beats' earlier post?
Post #5690 · Posted at 2015-04-18 06:28:45am 9 years ago
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It's an e-AMUSEMENT feature that lets you upload pics of your scores to their website and other blogging platforms.
Post #5691 · Posted at 2015-04-18 06:29:39am 9 years ago
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Ah, I see, thanks for clearing that up.
Post #5692 · Posted at 2015-04-18 07:43:59am 9 years ago
Wonder if anyone has that type of image of the Difficult and Beginner chart. Might give us more info on the charts. Not like I would know, though. Groove Radar calculations are reaaally hard.
Post #5693 · Posted at 2015-04-18 04:13:05pm 9 years ago
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Echospherics posted one of Beginner a few days ago:
There's not much we can draw from this about the song as a whole, i.e. BPM. Actually, because this Beginner chart has virtually 0 CHAOS, a possible conclusion is that most of the song stays on beat (i.e. no 8th note syndrome or anything like that)
These charts consistently have a decent amount of Freeze, too; it's not particularly helpful, though
I also found one for DOUBLE Difficult, but I had trouble finding one for singles. It shouldn't be way too different from singles.
I'll put some more time into trying to draw conclusions from this one later. There's not really much we can draw, since we don't know the length of the song. If we had this, we could figure out notecounts based on estimated Groove Radar values
There's not much we can draw from this about the song as a whole, i.e. BPM. Actually, because this Beginner chart has virtually 0 CHAOS, a possible conclusion is that most of the song stays on beat (i.e. no 8th note syndrome or anything like that)
These charts consistently have a decent amount of Freeze, too; it's not particularly helpful, though
I also found one for DOUBLE Difficult, but I had trouble finding one for singles. It shouldn't be way too different from singles.
I'll put some more time into trying to draw conclusions from this one later. There's not really much we can draw, since we don't know the length of the song. If we had this, we could figure out notecounts based on estimated Groove Radar values
Post #5694 · Posted at 2015-04-18 06:01:05pm 9 years ago
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Don't know if this is useful, but here's another attempt at OTP Basic
Post #5695 · Posted at 2015-04-18 07:11:38pm 9 years ago
No new info unfortunately. At this point the only way we'd get new info about any Singles chart is by either having someone get past the speedup, or by playing on 0.25x.
If anyone's brave and skilled enough to AA Max.(period) Doubles ( or ) on 3x Wave, then we could potentially see more of the OT"P" Doubles charts as well.
If anyone's brave and skilled enough to AA Max.(period) Doubles ( or ) on 3x Wave, then we could potentially see more of the OT"P" Doubles charts as well.
Post #5696 · Posted at 2015-04-19 03:05:44am 9 years ago
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Echospherics posted one of Beginner a few days ago:
There's not much we can draw from this about the song as a whole, i.e. BPM. Actually, because this Beginner chart has virtually 0 CHAOS, a possible conclusion is that most of the song stays on beat (i.e. no 8th note syndrome or anything like that)
These charts consistently have a decent amount of Freeze, too; it's not particularly helpful, though
There's not much we can draw from this about the song as a whole, i.e. BPM. Actually, because this Beginner chart has virtually 0 CHAOS, a possible conclusion is that most of the song stays on beat (i.e. no 8th note syndrome or anything like that)
These charts consistently have a decent amount of Freeze, too; it's not particularly helpful, though
The total length of freezes seems to be roughly 1/4 of the song, when counted in beats, for Beginner, and even larger for Basic (though smaller for Difficult). This is somewhat intriguing, at least.
Also, since there are 10 beats in ~22 seconds, and the average BPM is at least 171, if the rest of the song is 200BPM the total length is (200-171)/(200-(10/22*60))*22 ~ 131 seconds... uh-oh.
Expect a 400BPM section, then.
Post #5697 · Posted at 2015-04-19 04:10:35am 9 years ago
Or even a 600 BPM section, since the song's title is supposed to be reflective of Max.(period).
Either way since I seriously doubt the song's going to be over 2 minutes, have fun PAing the opening and slowdown at no more than ~1.5x-1.75x! And don't forget that Boost is disabled. At this rate no one's going to pass the song before 2016, assuming Konami doesn't loosen the conditions again (which they probably will).
Either way since I seriously doubt the song's going to be over 2 minutes, have fun PAing the opening and slowdown at no more than ~1.5x-1.75x! And don't forget that Boost is disabled. At this rate no one's going to pass the song before 2016, assuming Konami doesn't loosen the conditions again (which they probably will).
Post #5698 · Posted at 2015-04-19 04:15:57am 9 years ago
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Or even a 600 BPM section, since the song's title is supposed to be reflective of Max.(period).
How did I never notice this?!
Post #5699 · Posted at 2015-04-19 04:16:54am 9 years ago
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Echospherics posted one of Beginner a few days ago:
There's not much we can draw from this about the song as a whole, i.e. BPM. Actually, because this Beginner chart has virtually 0 CHAOS, a possible conclusion is that most of the song stays on beat (i.e. no 8th note syndrome or anything like that)
These charts consistently have a decent amount of Freeze, too; it's not particularly helpful, though
There's not much we can draw from this about the song as a whole, i.e. BPM. Actually, because this Beginner chart has virtually 0 CHAOS, a possible conclusion is that most of the song stays on beat (i.e. no 8th note syndrome or anything like that)
These charts consistently have a decent amount of Freeze, too; it's not particularly helpful, though
The total length of freezes seems to be roughly 1/4 of the song, when counted in beats, for Beginner, and even larger for Basic (though smaller for Difficult). This is somewhat intriguing, at least.
Also, since there are 10 beats in ~22 seconds, and the average BPM is at least 171, if the rest of the song is 200BPM the total length is (200-171)/(200-(10/22*60))*22 ~ 131 seconds... uh-oh.
Expect a 400BPM section, then.
Your logic doesn't make sense. We can't conclude exactly how much Freeze there is until we know the length of the song. You're right about the song having roughly 20-25% of the beats taken up by Freezes, but we can't conclude there will be a 400 BPM section just because of it. There can be 20-25% of the beats covered with Freeze Arrows without having a speed-up.
I don't really know where you're getting the numbers in your formula either. Or why you're basing the whole song off of just the first 10 beats and the time it takes for those 10 beats to finish.
Post #5700 · Posted at 2015-04-19 05:07:02am 9 years ago
Huh? The guess about the 400 BPM section is based off of Voltage, not Freeze, which you posted about earlier yourself.
Most DDR songs are about the same length, so not sure what you mean by not being able to tell how many freezes there are, when you also stated that the 20-25% number is correct. We know the exact step+freeze count sum of all three difficulties as well.
The formula is based off the fact that the average BPM is known to be ~171, but the beginning is much slower so that drags the average way down. So the rest of the song must be significantly higher than 171 - enough that having 200 BPM the whole way through wouldn't be enough and so a 400 BPM section would be needed.
Most DDR songs are about the same length, so not sure what you mean by not being able to tell how many freezes there are, when you also stated that the 20-25% number is correct. We know the exact step+freeze count sum of all three difficulties as well.
The formula is based off the fact that the average BPM is known to be ~171, but the beginning is much slower so that drags the average way down. So the rest of the song must be significantly higher than 171 - enough that having 200 BPM the whole way through wouldn't be enough and so a 400 BPM section would be needed.