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Post #5661 · Posted at 2015-04-16 10:02:01pm 9 years ago

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Still no one mentioning the "AWAKE" thing from the broadcast a few minutes ago?
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Post #5662 · Posted at 2015-04-16 10:45:14pm 9 years ago

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Oh well. Sorry about what's posted earlier. I still want to hear more of the song though. :3

Post #5663 · Posted at 2015-04-16 10:47:43pm 9 years ago

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Patience, guy. We'll hear more of it eventually. Just remember how long it took to hear all of Valkyrie dimension.
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Post #5664 · Posted at 2015-04-16 10:58:25pm 9 years ago

Post #5665 · Posted at 2015-04-17 12:38:45pm 9 years ago

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Not going to lie, I'm very excited about this video.
And I'm not just posting it for the Max. (period) Score. I got past the next step for OTP basic and with the machine lights flashing, I hope it helps.



Edit. fixed link. Also, I guess the lights weren't flashing unfortunately... Hope it still helps to determine BPM.
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Post #5666 · Posted at 2015-04-17 12:53:35pm 9 years ago

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The link is down Dr. D.
EDIT: It's back up, thanks Dr. D.

After I Analyzed the OTP video on Windows Movie Maker, I did some math to determine the BPM of the song.
First, I use the arrow flashes for my timing markers during the speed up after the stop.
1st Timing: 3:30:13
2nd Timing: 3:30:43
Then I did various ways to calculate the BPM like:
330.13 / 330.43 = 0.9990920921
move the decimal to the right two times = 99.99 BPM or 100 BPM
330.43 / 330.14 = 1.0008784152
move the decimal to the right two times = 100.087 BPM or 100 BPM
100 x 2 (The speed up after the stop which is double the speed) = 200 BPM


EDIT: This math is considered flaw. Check darkanine's math at the bottom of the page, it's alot better!
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Post #5667 · Posted at 2015-04-17 01:50:43pm 9 years ago

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Nice, Dr.D! Farthest anyone's got in OT"P". Now to figure out how to pass the beginning while still having the section after the stop being a reasonable speed. Yikes.
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Post #5668 · Posted at 2015-04-17 01:54:22pm 9 years ago

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Holy crap, congratulations on being both first in the world to PFC Max.(period)Heavy on AC and first to get more than 0 steps past the stop on OT"P"! And back-to-back no lessShocked

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Post #5669 · Posted at 2015-04-17 02:04:54pm 9 years ago

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Holy crap, congratulations on being the first in the world to PFC Max.(period)Heavy
Correction. First on DDR 2014. iamchris4life accomplished the feat long, long ago.
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Post #5670 · Posted at 2015-04-17 02:14:07pm 9 years ago

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Just finished my last round of the night. I cleared max period with 3.5 wave so I attempted OTP basic with. I made it all the way to the stop and got an early great on the speed up. Video later. But it does mean I can read it at 3.5 and if I get the speed up arrow, I am confident I can make deep in the song, or at least u,til next gimmick haha. I'll play again soon.
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Post #5671 · Posted at 2015-04-17 02:49:41pm 9 years ago

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I can confirm that the bpm after the stop is indeed 200 bpm.

After the stop, beat 1 to beat 2 has a distance of 9 frames (in a 30 fps video). Tried to align beats' bpm via Project Properties and is confirmed to be 200 bpm.

Post #5672 · Posted at 2015-04-17 02:56:55pm 9 years ago

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Here's the 3.5x video as mentioned before.

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Post #5673 · Posted at 2015-04-17 02:57:50pm 9 years ago

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First video confirms that the 1/16th of a beat window after the stop has a different BPM. It takes 3 frames for the 1/16th beat to scroll by, and even allowing for the overestimate that the 30fps camera was 0.5 frames late and the Perfect was an early Perfect (half a frame early), that would still be ~28.1 BPM which is already faster than the freeze before the stop. More likely, the window takes between 2.5 and 3.5 frames to pass 1/16th of a beat, which gives it a BPM of somewhere from 32 to 45, compared to the freeze before which has a BPM of 22.5. (Unfortunately, getting a more precise number is going to be almost impossible unless someone uses a high-speed/slow-motion camera or something.)

Anyway, @Dr.D looks like you're getting a lot of improvement at Perfect Attacking the opening, so it won't be long until we finally hear what the song sounds like more than 0.15 seconds after the speedup. Good luck!Big Grin

EDIT:
Managed to successfully download the earlier 60fps lineout without breaking everything in the conversion process. The window takes nearly exactly 5 frames at 60fps to pass, which gives a BPM of 45.

Post #5674 · Posted at 2015-04-17 03:29:25pm 9 years ago

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Quote: Dr.D
Not going to lie, I'm very excited about this video.
And I'm not just posting it for the Max. (period) Score. I got past the next step for OTP basic and with the machine lights flashing, I hope it helps.



Edit. fixed link. Also, I guess the lights weren't flashing unfortunately... Hope it still helps to determine BPM.

Very nice on everything! I guess if anyone wants to have any hope of getting anywhere past the speed up, they're going to have to learn how to PFC the beginning with 2.5x at the most, unless they can PFC sight read notes at 600bpm or above.

Post #5675 · Posted at 2015-04-17 04:15:13pm 9 years ago

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It sounds entirely feasible PFC the intro at 2.5x if you've done it at 3.5x.
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Post #5676 · Posted at 2015-04-17 04:20:04pm 9 years ago

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I can sightread PFC a 600BPM scroll for sure. 650 is pushing it (3.25) but it can be done, especially if the song really only plays like a 12. I'm playing a little with 513 tomorrow. He said he can only do Max Challenge on 2x wave, not sure why. Either way I'll keep working on basic until I make it past the speed up with a good BPM. The 2 steps after the speed up starts on an offbeat. I'm afraid it's going to be hard nailing those two. But after that it should be smooth sailing until the next set of gimmicks.
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Post #5677 · Posted at 2015-04-17 05:43:10pm 9 years ago

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But after that it should be smooth sailing until the next set of gimmicks.

Which is most likely instantly after that speed up.
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Post #5678 · Posted at 2015-04-17 06:55:59pm 9 years ago

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Thanks to the cabinet lights, we know that there aren't any gimmicks for at least 12-13 (and probably 16) beats after the speedup.

Post #5679 · Posted at 2015-04-17 06:59:16pm 9 years ago

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"No."
How come on Dr.D video's the cabinet lights weren't flashing? Did they turn it off for OTP? I've seen them light up before.
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Post #5680 · Posted at 2015-04-17 11:48:47pm 9 years ago

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After I Analyzed the OTP video on Windows Movie Maker, I did some math to determine the BPM of the song.
First, I use the arrow flashes for my timing markers during the speed up after the stop.
1st Timing: 3:30:13
2nd Timing: 3:30:43
Then I did various ways to calculate the BPM like:
330.13 / 330.43 = 0.9990920921
move the decimal to the right two times = 99.99 BPM or 100 BPM
330.43 / 330.14 = 1.0008784152
move the decimal to the right two times = 100.087 BPM or 100 BPM
100 x 2 (The speed up after the stop which is double the speed) = 200 BPM

Not trying to be mean, but your math is faulty. First off, 3:30 is not 330 seconds, it is 3 minutes and 30 seconds, which is 210 seconds. So the values should be 210.13 and 210.43

Next, that is a flawed way to calculate the BPM. Dividing any two numbers that are close to each other will result in a number close to 1, no matter what. Ex: 573÷555 = 1.0324324... ≈ 1. Instead, you should subtract to find the difference between the two times. So, 210.43−210.13 = 0.30 seconds, which is the duration of one beat.

Now we can find the beats per minute, or beats per 60 seconds, by dividing. You can imagine dividing 60 seconds into 0.3-second chunks. 60÷0.3 = 200 BPM.
That is how to correctly calculate the BPM. I hope this helps you to avoid making this mistake in the future. Wink
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