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Post #1 · Posted at 2012-10-17 11:49:25am 11.4 years ago

Offline Olip96
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Hey.

I'm new to IIDX (but I'm quite experienced at rhythm games), I started playing when I got my KOC a few weeks ago.

After looking upon many beginner guides, there's still something that bugs me. Guides often praise the necessity of using Sudden+ / having a "green number". How can hiding part of the screen actually help me to play IIDX better ? Maybe this is a stupid question but while I quickly understood that Hi-Speed was extremely useful, the Sudden modifier always looked like an additional challenge to me.

Additionally, if a personal green number is really important, when should I start to try to find one ? At the moment, I play songs in the 5-7 difficulty range, is it the right time to do it ?

Thanks for your future answers, I really want to do a good start in this game series.

Post #2 · Posted at 2012-10-17 12:36:48pm 11.4 years ago

Offline Pandemonium X
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Sudden helps you find your green number depending on your reaction time of notes.

Post #3 · Posted at 2012-10-17 01:55:29pm 11.4 years ago

Offline Silverhawke
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enabling sud+ shows the green number which indicates how long a note stays onscreen. this way you can find a HS setting with a certain amount of screen covered to achieve said comfortable green number. otherwise you might be stuck in a situation where 2.5 is a bit too slow and 3.0 is too fast.

i'm in the 7~9 range and starting to use random and sud+. should've started earlier :p
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Post #4 · Posted at 2012-10-17 10:19:52pm 11.4 years ago

Offline Keine
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when I first used sudden+, I realised that it somewhat honed in my timing a little and I jumped at least a grade or two on most songs
later I found out that I did even better with sudden+ and lift; you should give all three (hidden too maybe) a try and see with which
your scores dramatically improve

Rea's blog should give you more details and advice about finding the green number, or "sweet spot":
http://djrea.blogspot.com.au/

Post #5 · Posted at 2012-10-17 10:27:42pm 11.4 years ago

Offline Meseki
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Even if you aren't ready to try and find a good green number, Sudden+ is still useful for songs that are too slow to set an appropiate Hi-speed, such as those below 100 BPM. Try playing Ganymede with Sudden+; your score should probably be better than if you were to play it without Sudden+.

However, if you want to score well, it is almost necessary to use Sudden+ and find a good green number. Otherwise, you may end up like me; having around as many AAA's as clears on 12's.
IIDX Rank: SP 九段 (7/8)/ DP 七段 (5/8); 1P Side player
SP 11* Clears: 132/150 (88.00%); 12* Clears: 23/96 (23.96%)
Has access to CS 9th-EMP+PB+US, uses extended KOCs.

Post #6 · Posted at 2012-10-18 04:05:18am 11.4 years ago

Offline Olip96
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Last updated: 2012-10-18 07:37am
Thanks for your answers, but I have a last question: since I look at the bottom half of the screen when I play, how high should my green number be ?

(oh and, does the comfortable green number vary depending on the BPM / HS ? was playing happy sky duh.)

Post #7 · Posted at 2012-10-18 10:24:25am 11.4 years ago

Offline Silverhawke
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You need to find that yourself ;)
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Post #8 · Posted at 2012-10-18 07:26:22pm 11.4 years ago

Offline Keine
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I'm kind of still searching for my ideal green number, but so far I think
it's mostly trial and error : )

Post #9 · Posted at 2012-11-11 11:05:54am 11.3 years ago

Offline Poochy.EXE
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I actually use Sudden+ just to look at the green number to decide what Hi-Speed to use. Then I turn off Sudden+ before the song starts. The green number simply makes the process of choosing a Hi-Speed setting much easier.

Also, I noticed that for whatever reason, my miss count drops sharply on The Safari if I use a significantly lower Hi-Speed combined with Sudden+ using a slightly lower green number than usual. Unfortunately, my EX score also takes a hit, but it helps for clearing 7th Dan more consistently.
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Post #10 · Posted at 2012-11-11 11:34:46am 11.3 years ago

Offline Pandemonium X
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I've started using SUDDEN+ and it's been a godsend to me. My green number is around 400.

Post #11 · Posted at 2012-11-11 01:39:15pm 11.3 years ago

Offline Poochy.EXE
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Last updated: 2012-11-11 01:44pm
By the way, for those still looking for their green numbers, I suggest the following experiment:
1. Set your white number to something very small (I used 50), then try the same song on various Hi-Speed settings. The song should have a moderate BPM, where you can't possibly react in time if you use HS5.0, while HS1.0 feels way too slow. I suggest playing something you're familiar with and usually play on HS3.0-ish.
2. Binary search on your Hi-Speed setting (i.e. try HS2.5, if it's too slow, try HS3.5 or HS4.0, else try HS1.0 or HS1.5) until you find the lowest HS where you're struggling to keep up. Take note of your green number, call this U (for "upper").
3. Now drop your HS in 0.5 increments and play the song, each time noting your EX score and the green number. You'll likely see a range where your EX scores are highest; any lower and you start hitting notes early and getting lower scores. Call the green number where you get your best scores M (for "middle"), and the point where you see your scores start to drop off L (for "lower").
4. M is now your tentative ideal green number. Your actual ideal green number lies somewhere between U and L, so experiment between those two a little.

Personally, my ideal green number is 325±10. I haven't quite pinned down the perfect number, but I tend to do best in that range.

I also have noticed that people's ideal green numbers seem to drop over time, asymptotically approaching a minimum. Consider experimenting with lower numbers every once in a while. Depending on your CS setup (particularly things like the size of your screen and how close to it you sit/stand), there may also be a disparity between your CS and AC ideal numbers.
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Post #12 · Posted at 2012-11-13 12:52:14pm 11.3 years ago

Offline Keine
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it might also help to increase your hi-speed multiplier for songs with tighter
streams of notes, but retain the same green number

I use lift+ and sudden+ and my green number is 303, but whenever I play a DJ mass
song, I usually bring my sudden+ close to the very top and put up the hi-speed to the
very highest I can go while keeping my 303 green number

Post #13 · Posted at 2012-12-31 01:02:50am 11.2 years ago

Offline methaniel
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Sudden + isn't only a matter of having a stable green number for me. It is also a mean of hiding the top half of the screen because it simply gets in the way. Taking myself as an example, I use a 310 green number and usually hides a bit more than a 1/3 of the screen for lv 11 song and goes to half of it for songs of lv8 or less. But because of speed-changing songs I would sometimes play without the sudden+ (the most notably being Fascination Maxxx). In those case, even if the green number is the same as usual, having to see the entire screen during the fall of the notes makes it a lot harder to me (the speed is too high but if I reduced the high-speed I would have too much notes on-screen and would be unable to read it), and it tires my eyes pretty quickly.
By the way, your green number does tend to reduces as you get used to the game (I have been using my 310 since I was 4th dan some months ago, but recently because of an error I played Sasoribi with a 290 or so and I just pulverised my best score with it...I should try to experiment it again)

Post #14 · Posted at 2013-01-23 12:29:50pm 11.1 years ago

Offline BOOM!
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After I found my green number, I saw a significant increase in my EX scores, and I started getting many AAA's on some easier songs with Sud+. I loved it so much, I wrote my own Python program to calculate a white number based on my current green number for older styles. (If anybody uses Python and is interested, I'd be happy to give you my program.) It does take some work to find your ideal green number - but once you find it, it's so worth it.
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