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ポスト #1 · 2012-04-08 01:44:05pmにポスト 2.5年前

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I know the current DDR score tracker only counts arcade scores only, but I feel like a lot of songs are left out in the process. There are a lot of console-exclusive songs that I love to play. We know these songs have to be played on a home pad+console, so is there a way to add these songs while keeping these scores "unofficial" / separate from the arcade scores?

In fact, I also noticed that many of the console-exclusive songs have missing stepcount information in the ZIV database. Is there a way to fill in those blanks, if not through the score tracker?

Some of my favorite console-exclusive songs:
Love Is Dreaminess / L.E.D.-G vs. GUHROOVY fw/ Asuka
OUTER LIMITS / L.E.D.-G
Injection Of Love (Hina Mix) / Akira Yamaoka
more deep (ver.2.1) / Togo Project feat. Sana
Tell Me What To Do / atomsoak ft. cerol

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Maybe if we had a separate score tracker for the console games, then it would be more accessible to more players in the US and we could have separate lists for arcade and console scores.

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ポスト #2 · 2012-10-03 10:11:27pmにポスト 2年前

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Bumping because the idea was brought up in the CS vs AC PFC thread and this thread was updated. (5.9 months, wow.)

I think this'd be a nice idea to have a separate CS score tracker. It does make sense that people would want to keep track of CS scores, what-with not being able to access AC mixes regularly enough to keep scores coming in.
We've already got a jubeat plus/jukebeat score tracker, which is why I'm not against the idea. (Heck, I'd probably start playing my CS games again if it happened.)

Not sure how many people'll see this, it doesn't look like the most active part of the forum Tongue
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ポスト #3 · 2012-10-03 10:55:57pmにポスト 2年前

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I agree with you donosean. There should be a separate CS score tracker for DDR, and for several reasons:
1. Players can adjust the latency in the CS version, but not AC.
2. Many different styles of dance pads are used and have a wide range of soft pads, foam pads, and metal pads. Some even building their own, as well as adjusting sensitivity, and responsiveness.
3. The CS charts aren't always the same as the AC, but most of the time they are.
4. There are a wide number of songs which have yet to get an AC release.
5. The are literally nearly 100 different DDR games.
6. Dancing Stage games, Game Boy versions, and other DDR spinoffs which may have yet to be tracked.
7. Finally, it would increase some traffic on this site, but also may spawn some cheaters because you may never know if a player uses a controller to get that kind of score, and the only way those scores can be official CS scores is if you YouTube your playthrough on pad.

Entirely possible, but not 100% honest or accurate, plus there is factoring in different types of scores, judgments, and other things.
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guess like you guys failed to read this thread that i've posted in Site Requests

http://zenius-i-vanisher.com/v5.2/viewthread.php?threadid=4343&page=1

so by the looks of it I highly doubt this will be implemented. Nice try though. IMHO they should do this an get it done and over with, but like I just said I highly doubt this.
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ポスト #5 · 2012-10-04 02:48:12amにポスト 2年前

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I have a feeling it might be implemented.

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ポスト #6 · 2012-10-04 05:11:58amにポスト 2年前

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ポスト #7 · 2012-10-04 05:17:41amにポスト 2年前

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If you were going to include an option like this, you should make taking video of it mandatory so the player can prove that it was pad. Fixed for Ninja'dd

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what sucks is that I'm the only one who's going to lose out on this deal since I cant use pad due to my house being old as shit.
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ポスト #9 · 2012-10-04 05:22:36amにポスト 2年前

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An option for pad or controller would work nicely to an extent, as for cheating... I'm not too sure. You could leave it down to how reliable the person's scores have been, what looks suspicious etc. (like a PFC on FELM Challenge or all MFCs, something that significant should be proven with a video of some sort). While we really wouldn't have to follow up on looking for proof on something like Peace(^^)v Heavy or Try 2 Luv. U Heavy being PFC'd.
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ポスト #10 · 2012-10-04 05:53:16amにポスト 2年前

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guess like you guys failed to read this thread that i've posted in Site Requests

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so by the looks of it I highly doubt this will be implemented. Nice try though. IMHO they should do this an get it done and over with, but like I just said I highly doubt this.

Wow, this request has been dodged for much longer than I thought.

Now for dealing with the issues of a CS tracker:
-It would be nice to add a drop-down box or something indicating that a score was done on a pad or controller.
-I don't want video proof to be mandatory, but if there is something like "PFCed VD Challenge on a pad" without proof, then it's pretty obvious that it is likely not legit. [what donosean said above]
-Of course, there would have to be separate rankings for console and arcade scores as well (which I hope isn't too hard to implement). CS-exclusive songs don't need this because there wouldn't be any arcade scores.
-Also separate AAA counts for CS and AC scores.

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Entirely possible, but not 100% honest or accurate, plus there is factoring in different types of scores, judgments, and other things.

If you want to compare them to AC scores, then sure, but that's not the point of having a separate score tracker. And yes, the scoring systems are different for all the different games, but the timing windows are still pretty consistent AFAIK.
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ポスト #11 · 2012-10-04 05:56:28amにポスト 2年前

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All that aside, in terms of the actual tracking, just a separate signature image would suffice, and stick to SN2 scoring anyway since it's used across the board for AC too.
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ポスト #12 · 2012-10-04 06:06:37amにポスト 2年前

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All that aside, in terms of the actual tracking, just a separate signature image would suffice, and stick to SN2 scoring anyway since it's used across the board for AC too.
What about pre-SN2 DDR CS games?

I think the main, MAIN issue with this is that Alan (our admin...which if you don't know who he is by now is sent to our correctional facilities to get shafted up the ass with a rusted anchor) would have to go back to the score tracking system and he would have to completely recreate it SOLELY for the CS games, and as I mentioned above, there are CS games that are older that technically can't count if it still uses the SN2 grading system (unless you want to comment saying something like "on SN2 grading system this would be _______" or something.

Pretty much, to have to create a new score tracker would be to have him do the AC score tracker all over again for the CS side, and god knows HOW LONG that took him to do...

ポスト #13 · 2012-10-04 06:15:54amにポスト 2年前

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What about pre-SN2 DDR CS games?

I think the main, MAIN issue with this is that Alan (our admin...which if you don't know who he is by now is sent to our correctional facilities to get shafted up the ass with a rusted anchor) would have to go back to the score tracking system and he would have to completely recreate it SOLELY for the CS games, and as I mentioned above, there are CS games that are older that technically can't count if it still uses the SN2 grading system (unless you want to comment saying something like "on SN2 grading system this would be _______" or something.

Pretty much, to have to create a new score tracker would be to have him do the AC score tracker all over again for the CS side, and god knows HOW LONG that took him to do...

About the scoring issue, it's been done with the AC score tracker for pre-SN2, and it seems to be the most 'accurate' way of scoring used in any official mix, so I don't see a huge problem with using it. Biggest problem I've seen relating to that is people who got an 'AA' on, say, DDR EXTREME only to find they're a few perfects short in SN2 score.

About how time-consuming it can be, well, this is why it's really a suggestion, and obviously to be done at the Alan's discretion. I'm assuming the tedious part is getting the step data entered for every song and having the songs put under the right titles?
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ポスト #14 · 2012-10-04 06:19:08amにポスト 2年前

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If I had to describe this entire concept, i'd mark it under "Practical, but not currently feasible".

As you said Max, Alan would have to make an entirely separate score tracker, which is no small task.
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If I had to describe this entire concept, i'd mark it under "Practical, but not currently feasible".

As you said Max, Alan would have to make an entirely separate score tracker, which is no small task.

That pretty much sums it up. Unless it was made possible for members to help out or split up certain mixes between members (in terms of filling in the data for the songs, which I'm guessing is the longer, harder part) it probably won't happen. Even that idea in itself sounds unlikely.
(Just pitching ideas out, even if they're kinda silly.)
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The even bigger issue at hand, which has been mentioned, is the variety of variables you get with someone playing on a console version. Not every person is honest when it comes to their scores, and some will cheat to try and impress others here. I don't know why you would, since there's no reward for impressing a few people on a gaming website, but whatever. Point being, who knows if a pad's been modified or if they did something else to give them an advantage, it's hard to be 100% credible. Obviously with people like Kon and DDR Addict, they're trustworthy and never do anything to cheat their way towards AAAs.

I don't know, this just seems like an idea where it's all based on honesty and integrity, and not everyone has that. I'm rooting for this idea to eventually happen, i'm just a bit skeptical for the time being.
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I don't know, this just seems like an idea where it's all based on honesty and integrity, and not everyone has that. I'm rooting for this idea to eventually happen, i'm just a bit skeptical for the time being.
Reasoning behind that first part is due in part with the simple logic of this:

How can you cheat on an ARCADE machine?

Obviously, if you have no picture/video proof of your score taken from an arcade machine, EVERYONE will start speculating, then presuming you falsified the claim/score. With the console versions? I can't say how easy it is to hack a DDR game (never even heard of anybody hacking a DDR game to make it look like they got an FC/PFC/MFC), but there are two options that makes having a tracker for CS much more objective than an AC tracker:

1) You can use a console controller, easing your chances of getting a higher score than on foot

2) Types of mats you use. Soft/Plastic mats can get you one score while people who have metal/hard mats may get another. AC tracker has no issue with this because they ALL are metal pads.

This issue/request has been brought up possibly more than 5 times within the creation of the site, and majority rules say that it just won't be neither feasible nor practical (in some sense) to have one. As Mouko mentioned, the integrity and honesty of the player would pretty much have to boil it down to requiring a picture/video proof of the score or it won't even be entered. As well as the factors I mentioned above.

I want something like this to happen though, since hey, the IIDX and jubeat/jukebeat trackers have AC/CS score tracking, so why not DDR? There are just many issues that would have to be overcome in order for something like this to become a good idea to have, then comes the process of MAKING it, which is probably the biggest factor of this whole debacle.

ポスト #18 · 2012-10-04 06:58:37amにポスト 2年前

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Honesty of the player is always a factor, not everyone puts up proof for every score on the AC tracker. I just do it for PFCs, since those are the only scores that are likely to be considered false otherwise (even if I never PFC higher than an old-scale 6 Annoyed)
Heck, someone could lie about SDG-ing Max 300 Heavy or FELM Heavy and since it's not a PFC, people won't look too hard for proof, even though they're both impressive scores. Of course that depends on what kinds of scores the player entered previously too.

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2) Types of mats you use. Soft/Plastic mats can get you one score while people who have metal/hard mats may get another. AC tracker has no issue with this because they ALL are metal pads.

The AC pads vary sometimes too. Broken sensors, make of the cabinet, Betson.....
The same argument could be made for jukebeat/jubeat plus since it's obviously easier to play on an iPad screen than an iPhone/iPod touch like I do Tongue
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*facepalm* I swear i didnt see this till after I made a whole new topic........ sorry.
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*facepalm* I swear i didnt see this till after I made a whole new topic........ sorry.

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