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Post #21 · Posted at 2010-08-30 07:26:33am 13.6 years ago

Offline CyberTootie
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It is apparent that Prisoner416 obtained all this content from my project, DDResampled. Although the project has died, I keep its website up on my web server:

http://cybertootie.net/ddresampled

I don't care if it's used, but there are some things you may want to know about the audio which you can read up on in the readmes. Also, note that the versions of "Vacation" and "Surfin' USA" are reported to be incorrect. If DDR:UK is still up, you can read more about this here: http://www.ddruk.com/forum/post/280490/1

I lost everything related to this project in multiple hard drive crashes, so what is available on the website is all that I have.

Post #22 · Posted at 2010-09-01 10:21:40am 13.6 years ago

Offline Prisoner416
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Quote: CyberTootie
It is apparent that Prisoner416 obtained all this content from my project, DDResampled. Although the project has died, I keep its website up on my web server:

http://cybertootie.net/ddresampled

I don't care if it's used, but there are some things you may want to know about the audio which you can read up on in the readmes. Also, note that the versions of "Vacation" and "Surfin' USA" are reported to be incorrect. If DDR:UK is still up, you can read more about this here: http://www.ddruk.com/forum/post/280490/1

I lost everything related to this project in multiple hard drive crashes, so what is available on the website is all that I have.

I credited you in the very first post, and forwarded you the link to this forum. Not trying to steal any credit whatsoever for it.

I also hope that one that the project is restarted for all of us audiophiles.

The only difference is instead of pure .WAV format I tend to store in 500 KBPS VBR .ogg format, which saves a large amount of space with almost no perceivable loss.

Post #23 · Posted at 2010-09-01 11:03:26am 13.6 years ago

Offline AeronPeryton
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"Give me a steady beat."
You call yourself an audiophile and yet you want to use VBR. Also, where do you get the bitrate of 500 from?

Post #24 · Posted at 2010-09-01 02:40:35pm 13.6 years ago

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Speaking as an audiophile I wouldn't settle for ANY lossy audio codec, regardless of the "near-imperceivable" audio loss. WAV or FLAC I'm afraid.

If you wish to save space, use FLAC.
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Post #25 · Posted at 2010-09-02 05:07:55am 13.6 years ago

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Quote: Mercury
Speaking as an audiophile I wouldn't settle for ANY lossy audio codec, regardless of the "near-imperceivable" audio loss. WAV or FLAC I'm afraid.

If you wish to save space, use FLAC.

All of my stored music is indeed in FLAC, but since Stepmania does not support Flac, and wav files are large, 500 kbps ogg is the next best thing.

Also, I do not yet have expensive PC speakers, only studio headphones. Can't really dance with them on.

Once I upgrade, yes, I will switch over to pure wav or CBR. If someone can convince me, I'll reupload the DDR Disney Rave and Solo Bass mix at CBR .ogg 500 kbps. The pure wav format is too large for my hosting services.

However, at the moment, there is no audible difference to me between 500 kbps and wav on the Desktop cheap speakers. Spectrogram shows minimal difference as well.

However, I can tell when I'm switching over to 128.

Also, I'm trying to redo my drivers to detect my dancepad on Windows 7, or on the small XP partition I made for legacy programs.

Post #26 · Posted at 2010-09-02 02:49:41pm 13.6 years ago

Offline AeronPeryton
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"Give me a steady beat."
320kbps ogg files will be fine in CBR, anything higher than that in a lossy format is just a waste of space. I still don't understand the logic behind 500kbps.

Post #27 · Posted at 2010-09-02 02:52:16pm 13.6 years ago

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OGG files are natively VBR and never CBR.

Post #28 · Posted at 2010-09-02 08:47:27pm 13.6 years ago

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Vorbis (OGG is just a container format) is encoded VBR by default, but can be set to encode into CBR. However, the use of CBR with Vorbis is discouraged unless there is a compelling reason to use it, such as internet streaming. Vorbis' VBR timeframe handling is much better than MP3's, so the VBR seeking problem is not a problem in Vorbis. And if you had to choose between the two, VBR would be the audiophile choice when you understand how it works.

Back in my DDR prime at DDR:UK, I pushed hard for a switch to Vorbis audio in simfiles. Before I did, though, I, too, was a Vorbis skeptic and openly shunned the format at first when its use was suggested. But now that I've worked extensively with both Vorbis and MP3, I have to say that in my opinion, a move to Vorbis is long overdue. Why the DDR community still clings to an outdated time-transposing audio compression format soley for the reason of "consistency" is beyond me. Here are the pros and cons of each format, assuming a lossless source is available:

MP3
Pros: Mainstream format, usable in virtually all players outside DDR simulation software; slightly faster decoding
Cons: Encoding introduces sync issues; low compression-quality efficiency

Vorbis
Pros: Time-perfect; higher compression-quality efficiency
Cons: Not compatible with many players, most software can at least with a plug-in; slightly longer decoding; anomalous Stepmania playback issue

I have a number of official physical DDR soundtrack CDs that can be ripped for a Vorbis conversion project.

Post #29 · Posted at 2010-09-02 10:08:39pm 13.6 years ago

Offline AeronPeryton
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"Give me a steady beat."
I just like CBR better. Happy Same goes for true stereo over joint stereo.

The only playback issues I've heard of with OGGs and StepMania was ITG2 r16 and people hacking in OGGs that were not coded at 48,000Hz.

Post #30 · Posted at 2010-09-04 03:55:36am 13.6 years ago

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Quote: AeronPeryton
320kbps ogg files will be fine in CBR, anything higher than that in a lossy format is just a waste of space. I still don't understand the logic behind 500kbps.

My logic is it's a nice, round number.

FLAC is normally in the 1,000 and up range.

It's just a personal preference.
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