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Post #81 · Posted at 2012-08-31 02:06:58pm 11.6 years ago

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I'm an atheist by trade, but I was raised in a baptist home. I can't understand why my not believing in god makes me evil. Science has given us a lot more answers than the bible ever will. I'm also sick of christans thinking that they have all the answers and run the world. Christans can openly practice their religon, but everyone else is subject to ridicule.

If America is supposed to be so great then why aren't all religions treated equally? Why isn't it ok to not believe? I respect other groups and their beliefs. I would even say fascinated, but I have no problem tellIng christans what I think of them and their god. Their belief is like a plague that keeps people of all other beliefs from coexisting.

Post #82 · Posted at 2012-08-31 02:48:38pm 11.6 years ago

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You say you respect others religions, then call Christianity a plague and say you have no problem telling them what you think of there God?
You have to practice what you preach. Religion, at its core, is to set examples of good lifestyles, and set a hope in life that will keep people moving forward toward being the best person they can be. Sometimes it backfires, but that is not because religion's are evil, its because people are evil.

Post #83 · Posted at 2012-08-31 05:32:31pm 11.6 years ago

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You say you respect others religions, then call Christianity a plague and say you have no problem telling them what you think of there God?
You have to practice what you preach. Religion, at its core, is to set examples of good lifestyles, and set a hope in life that will keep people moving forward toward being the best person they can be. Sometimes it backfires, but that is not because religion's are evil, its because people are evil.

I do indeed. I don't force my beliefs on anyone. I have no problem with christans practicing their beliefs, but it is THEY who don't respect other beliefs. All I want is for my decision not to believe to be respected. I've been ridiculed for my beliefs, and it's not right. What's the point in expressing my views if society is going make me out to be evil for having my own views?

Post #84 · Posted at 2012-08-31 06:29:34pm 11.6 years ago

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Idk about that...a lot of atheists mostly make things hit the fan.
Also, you called them a plague - not a nice thing to say for someone who respects others.

Post #85 · Posted at 2012-08-31 06:41:24pm 11.6 years ago

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it is THEY who don't respect other beliefs.

I'm a Christian and I respect others' beliefs. Please don't stereotype ALL Christians. Confused
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Post #86 · Posted at 2012-08-31 07:39:15pm 11.6 years ago

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Post #87 · Posted at 2012-08-31 11:35:13pm 11.6 years ago

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Science has given us a lot more answers than the bible ever will.

I'm a big fan of science. I'm also a Christian. Most Christians I know believe in both and say that they aren't mutually exclusive things. I believe in the Big Bang timeline of the universe as well as the Evolution of species, and believe it took place over the course of billions of years. I also think God created the universe, Earth, and humanity.
Atheists often seem to make the bold claim, without saying why, that they have science and reason on their side. Okay, why?


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I respect other groups and their beliefs. I would even say fascinated, but I have no problem tellIng christans what I think of them and their god. Their belief is like a plague that keeps people of all other beliefs from coexisting.

Well thats just not nice. Hardly anything that could remotely be called "respecting" my beliefs. Maybe the reason you get in so many situations where you feel "persecuted" for your Atheism isn't the Christian's fault in this case. What do you expect Christians to do in order to respect you, admit that you're right and that God doesn't exist?

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What do you expect Christians to do in order to respect you, admit that you're right and that God doesn't exist?

I think the proper term is "let you be" instead of "admit that you're right", just saying.
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Post #89 · Posted at 2012-08-31 11:43:17pm 11.6 years ago

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Based on what Ryu described, it doesn't seem as though he lets them be though, which I'm saying is the source of conflict.

Post #90 · Posted at 2012-08-31 11:48:38pm 11.6 years ago

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Although I don't attend church regularly, I believe in God and recognize the Ten Commandments. Not sure what that would technically make me.

Post #91 · Posted at 2012-09-01 12:21:15am 11.6 years ago

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When you reach certain enlightment, you'll realized that all religions are the same. it's based on where do you feel comfortable.

Post #92 · Posted at 2012-09-01 12:28:17am 11.6 years ago

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Although I don't attend church regularly, I believe in God and recognize the Ten Commandments. Not sure what that would technically make me.
I'm the same way. You can still be a Christian and not attend church. The way I see it, churches are a place of fellowship with other Christians. Churches are for social gatherings, and as long as you read the Bible, you can still learn the Word, even when solo. Point is, churches aren't required, but highly recommended for the best Christian experience.

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Post #94 · Posted at 2012-09-01 12:51:34am 11.6 years ago

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When you reach certain enlightment, you'll realized that all religions are the same. it's based on where do you feel comfortable.
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Post #95 · Posted at 2012-09-01 01:30:12am 11.6 years ago

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I do indeed. I don't force my beliefs on anyone. I have no problem with christans practicing their beliefs, but it is THEY who don't respect other beliefs. All I want is for my decision not to believe to be respected. I've been ridiculed for my beliefs, and it's not right. What's the point in expressing my views if society is going make me out to be evil for having my own views?
I'm going to jump in here as well and note that you've probably interacted with a very vocal and misguided cross-section of Christians that represents a minority of the religion.
Nevertheless, keep in mind that the Atheistic worldview and the Christian (or Muslim, or Orthodox Jewish) worldview are in direct conflict with each other, so no matter how tolerant either side is, they still firmly believe the other is "wrong". Christians and Atheists in particular, though, tend to feel "persecuted" and/or misinterpret as proselytism the most when the other side disagrees with them.

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Depends on denomination whether it's considered a requirement to participate once, let alone regularly. You could be a Christian without ever going to church.

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I don't force my beliefs on anyone. I have no problem with christans practicing their beliefs, but it is THEY who don't respect other beliefs.
Wooooah, it's not particularly a good idea to shoehorn all Christians like that. Generalising people of a certain religion may turn you into the people you speak out against.
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Post #97 · Posted at 2012-09-01 01:47:37am 11.6 years ago

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Post #99 · Posted at 2012-09-01 03:09:06am 11.6 years ago

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I don't force my beliefs on anyone. I have no problem with christans practicing their beliefs, but it is THEY who don't respect other beliefs.
Wooooah, it's not particularly a good idea to shoehorn all Christians like that. Generalising people of a certain religion may turn you into the people you speak out against.

I realize that this might not be the case with younger generation. I will apologize for that. Because of my age I've always had to deal with older generations and they are so much more vocal about their beliefs.

I've literally had groups of christans coming at me with their bibles at the mere mention of my beliefs. I've always heard that I'm misguided and blah,blah,blah.

I like that their are different views. Surely this planet is big enough to support all these ideas. At the end of the day, they are just ideas until proven otherwise.

Watching the RNC this week they bought out catholic priest to pray every so often, and I felt like that had no place in the political arena. Anyway, this is supposed to be America where it doesn't matter what your beliefs are. Yeah right!

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You still sound a tad hard-headed after those posts.
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