Opinions about DDR stepcharts

If I may Ben...

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pretty much this thread in a nutshell

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i am sadness

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this

"gimmicks songs (both ddr and some custom itg songs) or fast endless streams (almost exclusively custom itg) are not that much fun to play. the latter however increases your stamina as physical ability goes up. most custom stream charts are there to purely train that. patterns-wise they are pretty straightforward, if you look for something nice (i.e. hands, crossovers or some rythm training bits) then forget it.




thanks for the vid, max. however I fail to understand the connotations of the video's content. danke

so you are saying "expert step chart" but are focusing only on boss charts. okay.

btw you still haven't answered my question. Provide (concrete) examples of shitty charts please to back up your argument. (2 pages and still no answer lol)

also ryuzaki, funny that your example is one of the charts people don't like (myself not included) because of confusing doublesteps and/or steps that don't really flow.

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1) yes queen of light is a nice song and has great charts for all levels , but especially the expert chart is really nice. ITG team (chris foy/kyle ward) always made exp charts a priority as ddr didnt offer this and they knew that players would appreciate it. that is not to say that the hard charts (and some medium) are bad. of course the lower rated charts are more or less generic and ddr may have , to some extent, done a better a job making those since 1) ddr is more beginner friendly 2) that was all that was there prior itg

2) euphoria is aweful? i think its a really cool fun and rythmic song. the hard chart is really nice and easy. the expert chart i can only do on keyboard since I lack a good machine around me. nonetheless - why is it aweful? i mean the mines straight after some steps and holds, fair enough, but the burst - although so many of the 32nds that it gets annoying - they make sense and they actual do follow the music very well.

3) i like anubis


finally, on the music note - yes there is a lot of techno (which i myself am a huge of fan of) - but there is also a lot non-techno songs. LOADS! (in fact all the charts you have mentioned - anubis, queen of light and euphoria are not techno. remember december is though) its about preferences. Also, when there is a crowd of ppl standing behind me at an arcade i am damn right to select something like ROBOTIX or walkin On Fire instead of something like CANDY or Love is Dreaminess LOL

the reactions of the crowd would very from "cool, wow, damn i wanna play 2" and " nerd , geek, loser" (mind you i wouldnt care either way, i was joking

hahaha omg

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Opinions.

Hey Ben are you the Olsen Twins?

Also, I was implying the impending doom you have brought to this thread with your shite post.

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I believe some charts get more hate than they deserve, but then again, my opinions are very strange.

MAX 300 X Special is alright because the crossovers are what make this a 18 instead of the original, which is a 15. Crossovers are manageable at 300 BPM.
MAXX Unlimited is one of my favourite boss charts because...I don't see anything wrong with it. And it's fun.
Fascination MAXX is retarded in several ways but it's not horrible. Sure, the beginning might be off, and those 32nds, but I still play it sometimes just to have fun.
PARANOiA Hades is awesome.

Then...some charts suck.
New Decade...meh
PRevo is HORRIBLE
VD is NEARLY HORRIBLE
Fuck you FELMO



Aaaaand I just looked up and see ITG charts were brought up so I throught I will give my 2 cents on the officials too.

There are some charts where I think the chart creator was high when they made them.
-Visible Noise Expert
-Utopia Expert
-Bloodrush Expert

Then, there are great charts.
-Disconnected Expert
-Euphoria Hard and Expert
-Delirium Expert
-Agent Blatant Expert (way way underrated)

Now I'm done. Continue with your ~°xX5h1T5T0rMXx°~.

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why are you talking only about boss charts, check the goddamned thread title.

fuck this i'm outta here.

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no ;_;

Most of the earlier ITG customs were a pain to play though. I remember how some files were overhyped like Uber R4v3 or Infernoplex lol

I think most DDR non-boss charts are pretty okay. (With some pieces I love like TSUGARU , AFRONOVA , Seduction (something remix) , AA ...)
Overall, I think ITG (official) charts have less personality than the ones from DDR. Most of the lower difficulties are extremely generic, and a lot of 9/10 are forrgettable. (Utopia expert is unforgettable haha, I used to think it was a great chart)

I think they did a goob job with DDRX3's exclusive charts on the 2nd mix songs.

But most of the consoles versions (ultramix, universe and stuff like that) had some awful charts from the little I played.

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Isn't this an opinion thread after all? Who has to prove what to whom?

You state your opinion, and others a free to agree or disagree with it as they may... right?

I like DDR.

It's like you guys are trying to give me an infinite stock of signature quotes I swear.

Here's my input on all this:

1. DDR charts are dumb because they don't follow the music all that accurately and leave the chart lackluster and if you don't agree you much suck.
2. ITG charts are dumb because they are too accurate to the music and as a result take away the fun from it and if you don't agree you much suck.
3. EVERYONE'S DUMB FOR ARGUING ABOUT THIS DISCUSSION FOR THE 10,000 TIME ON THE INTERNET

Play what you want, it's all subjective and these discussions honestly have stopped being productive for years now.

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Most important thing to me when it comes to DDR stepcharts, to me at least, is that the step are fun and don't try to do too much. I'll try to stay off of boss charts, there's clearly been enough discussion of those, but I think that if enough effort is put into making creative patterns that are difficult but flow well, it's possible to make entertaining charts above an 18 (even VD can be considered entertaining, though the # of people to agree might be limited lol). Most of the time I find the 9-12 x-scale charts to be most enjoyable, they might be simple but the steps flow and are usually pretty good. If they were overstepped for the sake of difficulty, it really wouldn't be fun, but that's just my opinion. Some of my favorite old school charts were The Shining Polaris , AM-3P , Hysteria , SP-TRIP MACHINE~JUNGLE MIX~ , and B4U , just to name a few; they weren't difficult, and if they were they didnt push you too hard, but I think they did a good job of presenting steps in a way that you could dance to the song, and pay attention to the music more than you probably would when playing really hard charts that require more focus on following the steps. Even in modern DDR we still have plenty of charts that do the same as the ones I mentioned, but they seem to get overshadowed by the boss songs that everyone focuses on. It's a shame that they get overlooked, because a lot of them are pretty fun. My point in all this is that sometimes it's better that the charts not be overstepped, it takes away from the enjoyment of the music, which I always thought was the most important part of the game.

On a final note, ITG and DDR are two different styles of charts, comparing them is a terrible idea because they both have their own charm and fanbase. If we want to discuss ITG charts, why not make an individual thread for that? It would be better than starting up debates in a thread geared towards DDR opinions. Just tossing in my 2 cents on that.

/opinion

i like b4u too. its a great 8 footer chart. an iconic ddr song too. tsugaru is also nice and quite unique in the ddr world with its step ppatterns. there are many ddr songs and charts that are wonderful - unfortunately most of the so called classics are in the past mixes. (e.g. drop the bomb, butterfly, aftronova, tsugaru, my sweet darling, justify my love, .59 etc... and many others) i have played most of supernova (a good mix) and quite a bit of the x 1 and a small bit of x2. aside from the pad lag/sync , many of the songs there are not as remember-able as the old stuff.

finally i apologise for heating up this thread but that was not my intention.

WE SAW THIS COMING AND WE'RE STILL TRYING TO CHANGE PEOPLE'S OPINIONS MOTHER OF FUDGE.

*pant*

... Monolith is pretty cool but I can't pass anything harder than whatever the 8-7 one is. Most of my ITG gripes come with custom songs having long soulless streams and throw in 16ths wherever they get bored, and I kinda just assumed the game itself was like that. The fact that DDR gets too hard for me sorts indicates I have no reason to try ITG for stamina when I can't even do the hardest of those... although if ITG has charts that make the old-scale 9-10 gap easier, list them off.
Then I have to explain to my rivals at the one arcade with ITG that "I am only doing this for DDR; maybe if you would stop being mean to DDR I wouldn't dislike you xP"

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I really rooted for In The Groove when it came out. I still appreciate it myself and what it was created to do. To give the fans what they wanted because the game was made by the fans. Er, some of them at any rate.

If In The Groove were still in production today, it very well would have been a worthy alternative for DanceDanceRevolution to certain players. The soul of ITG is now part of Pump It Up, which is a worthy alternative for DanceDanceRevolution to certain players. And there's a big and obvious difference between the two... can you guess what it is?

The truth of the matter is, ITG is officially long dead. And what got released (officially) really doesn't stand up against what's coming out of the Konami and Andamiro camps today. 'ITG is better' is only an opinion and really only valid under the nostalgia category. And even then, that's a very niche niche.

I used to think this way too.
But there's too much excellent and lovely crafted custom packs now, this is just not true.
Of course, there's stuff like Pendulum of Dragonforce packs, these are stamina files, endless streams.
But there's also many many cool files. The vast majority of customs are 10-12 footers, and those are certainly not bland streams.


Who cares about about officials now anyway ? There are thousands of great custom files, so the game's still interesting to play.