Message to all SM5 theme

I know, I'll get tons of hate come at me, but I have to listen to before your speed / AC said.

SM5 all production topics,
I feel like most of the recent theme is terrible.............
I totally surrender, okay? Can we please forget this topic, even exist? Please?!

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Your post is completely incoherent. None of it makes sense.

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From the looks of it, he's using Google translate. How good is it with Chinese? Not very

apology.

Compared to the 3.9 Long story short, SM5 theme is terrible. Mainly from the coat wheels and minimal or excessive use of DDR related theming. .

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You're saying that 3.9 has more originality. But wasn't 3.9 a rip off of DDR? Ripping something else off is the opposite of originality.

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Know. 3.9 not in its original state, no. However, third-party themes, most of them original.

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Sm5 has more stuff for DDR themes it's easier to recreate a DDR theme on SM5 although SM 3.9 can do DDR themes also but you don't get all the features from DDR to SM 3.9

SM5 is indeed far better than SM3.9. It's the SM5 DDR themes released that aren't, in my opinion.

I believe someone will release a DDR theme that will make everyone forget about previous SM5 DDR themes released ... "soon".

Personally, I'd rather see someone release an original theme that makes everyone forget about DDR themes.

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I rather see someone release an PIU PRIME theme

Most original themes (sans SM5's SIMPLY LOVE) are more forgettable than DDR/PIU themes.

SM 3.9 Themes: 60% IIDX recolors, 20% DDR clones, 15% Default theme recolors, 5% original, although that 5% might be a bit too generous.

SM5 is a roughly even split between Pump clones/recolors, DDR clones, and original themes, with a few IIDX recolors thrown in there too.

Anyway, if you have a problem with DDR clones this is the wrong place to complain. Most of the people here are interested in Stepmania primarily as a DDR emulator, not as it's own thing.

Not sure you can really call SM5's SIMPLY LOVE an original theme, as it's a re-creation of the original theme.

I don't think so, the last 3 DDR themes have been pretty damn bland, certainly more than some SM5 themes. I guess it also has to do with the tastes of the people who have been making them: people closely connected to the SM team right now seem to like more minimalist styles and argue that DDR-style themes really only seem "better" because their UI sins are expected. I certainly am fine with that, I mostly use default or consensual nowadays (though I'd argue consensual is really difficult to use for intermediate players).

As for themer-friendliness, the point of that wasn't so much the documentation. StepMania has never had theme documentation ever. This is not a good thing but that is how it is. 3.9 was quite limited, so by about 2006 or so people had hit a wall and basically gotten 3.9 to do everything it can do. SM5 adds a bunch of functionality (sort of haphazardly jammed into a 3.9-like base by about 10 years of undirected development, I'll admit) to let you break those limitations, which at times might not be easy to do because you have to program it yourself. That's what I interpreted "themer-friendly" as meaning back in the sm-ssc days.

EDIT: As for jackets, I think the Japanese SM scene has really taken to them recently.

EDIT2: As for SM5 being programmer-friendly rather than themer-friendly: I agree with that.

You should be able to just ignore the complex parts without having problems. In general, if you don't understand something, it's safe to just leave it untouched. The options menu could use some rearrangement though.

SM5 is more programmer friendly than themer friendly. Themer friendly would be a suite of tools for adjusting positions and effects through a gui that lets you see the changes as you make them, like this screen I'm using to decide how to color text by adjusting the luma and angle of a base color. Or this screen for designing bezier tweens, which I used to come up with the tweens that replaced all the linear tweens in Consensual. And this screen used to draw letters, for the animated text in my logo screen.

Without interactive tools for live editing, theming is always going to be a struggle, where those who are skilled at writing code make what they want, and those who are unskilled floundering.

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I will say that SM5 is fine and significantly more fluid. However, I don't like seeing people badger other people who make themes for 3.9 today. Some people simply don't know Lua (myself included). Or maybe they feel more comfortable in 3.9. And there are people more comfortable with 5. Heck, there are even people comfortable with 4 CVS and 3.95.

But PLEASE, don't start wars over what version of StepMania people use. These fights won't have any winner, they'll just be a waste of time.

Maybe this will be the first time I'm gonna insult someone, and of course you deserve it... I think you are a STUPID. Everything you said makes no SENSE. First of all I think that is stupid to say (I think you wanted to say that due to your horrible google translation) that all the SM5 Themes aren't the good enough.

SM5 has more featured/advanced/high development Themes that any version of Stepmania, is easy for you to say since I am pretty sure you don't know nothing about Theming. Is easy for you to say that since maybe you never have made a theme by yourself.

Me, as a amateur Themer and yes, I say amateur because I need to learn so much but, with my knowledge I have made a nice theme, also I have made an HD version of a DDR Theme, (I had to remake a lot of textures by myself). This because Stepmania 5 support more quality, higher resolutions than SM3.9.

Even someone that has 0% Knowledge about LUA, or Metrics, etc, and want to make a Theme for SM5 and maybe share it with a community or just share it with the "Internet". It doesn't deserve to be called "not good" just for someone likes you.

And what is about all the others Themes that exist for SM5 that has its own potential? Is easy for you just talk about themes when you have never done at least ONE by yourself. Then you maybe will understand that a Theme that looks simple for everyone, looks amazing for you cuz you made it.

People still liking maybe SM3.9, others 4, 3.95 and of course SM5. But don't say that again that SM5 doesn't has themes likes 3.9

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>reads first few lines of OP

There goes HIS rating. Who even are you?

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In this community in particular, the vast majority of popular simfiles use jackets. Many original stepmakers (i.e. chewi, DM Axel, Ben Speirs, Blinded_No_More, me) use them, and all the up-to-standards DDR simfiles now include them. In addition, real DDR uses jackets now, along with almost every other music game in existence (jubeat, REFLEC BEAT, pop'n music sometimes, ToneSphere, RERAVE, Rock Band, Just Dance sort of, Dance Central, I can keep going), so it just seems logical to focus on that type of interface.

If you're an ITG-based player, where the banner standard is stronger, then sorry, but this is the wrong place to complain about that.


OK first off, don't act like all 3.9 themes are gold. Look back at the directories on sites like StepMania Things and you'll find a fair amount of reskins of the default theme, themes railed on for being too garish, and other ephemera.

You seem in particular upset with the popularity of themes like Consensual, Simply Love, and similar efforts. The thing is that these themers are writing for the community and themselves, and what a fair amount of people in this community are interested in are themes that are able to give the details they want, while graphical fidelity is less of a pressing issue.

In any case, there are still "casual" original themes that look nice and flashy. For example, I'm on the TrotMania project, and the latest theme, Aeturnum Obscurum, seems like the type of thing you might seek (except the jackets I guess, but I already explained that part)




What documentation? If anything, 3.9 was even worse in that regard, with very little in the way of tutorials outside of "look at the default and fiddle with it".


You're just asking to be rating bombed, because combined with your "there's a good way, there's a bad way, and there's an SM5 themer way" jab, you're taking really petty and hyperbolic potshots at themers who are users on this very forum. As others have said, be the change you want to see in this community: learn to code and make a theme that suits your tastes if you're that upset with the current scene. Otherwise, this ranting just makes you sound entitled and ungrateful.

I include jackets AND banners and backgrounds for all of MY files. :/ (specifically the ones I submit to Simfile Shuffle 2015)

That way, my graphics are compatible with all SM themes within 3.9-5.0.10.

3.9 had some neat themes. Some. In like 2005-6 when everyone used it, and then we moved on to bigger and better things. The best part of that was not having to see all those IIDX/DDR reskins come over to SM5, those were awful. While there may not be nearly as many themes as the older versions of Stepmania had, i'd rather see more original and aesthetically pleasing themes than just "IIDX, but with more [INSERT COLOR HERE]" and "DDR GREEN MiX". Waiei is a nice example, as resource heavy as it can be at times.

By the way, the sheer notion that there isn't a "winner" is absurd. How is there not a clear cut winner, it's 2015, almost 2016.
SM5 and oITG. Pick the one you prefer and go do your thing. There aren't many reasons to be using any other versions.

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