Post #1 · Posted at 2015-08-20 11:17:34am 8.6 years ago
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So, I've hit the point where I can clear a few 13s and most 12s, but my biggest problem so far has been crossovers. I can never find a good song to practice them, so when I end up playing any remotely hard song with them (Say HV~AM~ or RHYTHM AND POLICE) I can't get very far. Even TRIP MACHINE took me ages to clear, taking a month or two after I first cleared SAKURA . Another problem for my progress is that I still don't have the footspeed and general skill needed for MAX 300, but I can't find many 14s to play (Newest mix I can play is SN2 AC and I have every pre-X US DDR on ps2).
Are there any suggestions for songs to practice crossovers on as well as 14s that can maybe help with getting to MAX 300?
Are there any suggestions for songs to practice crossovers on as well as 14s that can maybe help with getting to MAX 300?
Post #2 · Posted at 2015-08-20 11:39:10am 8.6 years ago
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The way I learnt was a baptism of fire, by teaching myself how to clear both tricky crossovers and harder songs by going for Paranoia survivor first.
I wouldn't recommend this way, especially if you're playing arcade, but...it's a way.
I wouldn't recommend this way, especially if you're playing arcade, but...it's a way.
Post #3 · Posted at 2015-08-20 11:55:25am 8.6 years ago
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SN2 AC? Don't forget about AM-3P Chaos Special - it's a 14 and full of crossovers!
Post #4 · Posted at 2015-08-20 01:00:59pm 8.6 years ago
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PARANOiA SURVIVOR is a 14 that's full of crossovers. I think. It might be a 15, but I can't remember.
For help with MAX 300, I suggest Across The Nightmare Challenge, as it's the same speed but features more simple 8th drills than any sophisticated streams like MAX does.
For help with MAX 300, I suggest Across The Nightmare Challenge, as it's the same speed but features more simple 8th drills than any sophisticated streams like MAX does.
Post #5 · Posted at 2015-08-20 01:06:53pm 8.6 years ago
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I believe PS was originally 14 then increased to 15?
Post #6 · Posted at 2015-08-20 01:44:37pm 8.6 years ago
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If you have Extreme 2, Cartoon Heroes is great for developing your technical skillset in general. If you need the stamina for songs like Max 300, simply play DDR in longer sessions.
Post #7 · Posted at 2015-08-20 01:49:17pm 8.6 years ago
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I believe PS was originally 14 then increased to 15?
PS was 14 from X - X2, and 15 from X3 onward
Post #8 · Posted at 2015-08-20 02:46:17pm 8.6 years ago
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Most players probably started with Boom Boom Dollar and the remix. The original Paranoia doesn't force you, but kind of encourages you to play most of the song facing to the side.
A lot of the early songs have small little streams like left-down-right, where the player is meant to turn to the side, but most players these days just use one foot to hit the last two steps. If you make a note of playing easier songs and voluntarily crossing your feet over anyway, then you'll probably get more of a feel for it?
A lot of the early songs have small little streams like left-down-right, where the player is meant to turn to the side, but most players these days just use one foot to hit the last two steps. If you make a note of playing easier songs and voluntarily crossing your feet over anyway, then you'll probably get more of a feel for it?
Post #9 · Posted at 2015-08-20 02:48:18pm 8.6 years ago
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The original AM-3P uses a lot of crossovers, and is relatively slow. I maintain it's one of the most fun DDR charts ever, too.
Post #10 · Posted at 2015-08-20 03:08:00pm 8.6 years ago
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I also really like Konoko no nanatsu no oiwaini or however it's spelled as far as keeping up with speed and a bit of technique goes.
Post #11 · Posted at 2015-08-20 04:11:39pm 8.6 years ago
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Most players probably started with Boom Boom Dollar and the remix. The original Paranoia doesn't force you, but kind of encourages you to play most of the song facing to the side.
The natural progression for crossovers is from Boom Boom Dollar (KOG3 mix) to Exotic Ethnic. CSFIL Speed Mix is another good one that throws everything at you which is a step below HV: AM. If you are looking for lighter fare, Freckles and Rainbow Rainbow are pretty good as well.
What I did for a fun crossover chart is take the Hottest Party version of Love♥Shine and transpose them into the Riyu version so I could play it on my PS2 as I don't have the hottest party version.
There are some other songs that teach pivoting well which is a natural progression into crossovers. Be Lovin' and Seduction (Vocal Remix).
My advice on building stamina is to actually play longer songs that don't let up. For example, I could full-combo AA So Deep [~90secs] but I struggled with Love is Dreaminess for the longest time which is just over 2 minutes. Love is Dreaminess is also another big crossover song but it's pretty brutal.
Post #12 · Posted at 2015-08-22 08:10:12am 8.6 years ago
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Generally for teaching crossovers I used to use 'air' as it was slow enough to follow for the students - but I think that's probably too low for your level.
Post #13 · Posted at 2015-08-29 06:53:39am 8.6 years ago
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To get used to crossovers, the best way is to try to keep rotating which foot you use, whenever you can, and make it a habit. Once that is part of your muscle memory, crossovers will become intuitive. This is especially useful if you wish to attempt Double mode in the future. This isn't always possible but most good charts allow you to make it through most streams with minimal double stepping.
For one, exotic ethnic is an excellent chart for practicing crossovers since there are many streams with basic crossovers, and you can get through most of the chart without using the same foot twice on two different arrows. (The one section where I find you do need to use the same foot twice is between 1:09 and 1:13 in the video below).
RHYTHM AND POLICE is also an excellent chart in my opinion, and you can try just rotating your feet around without thinking too hard. It's much easier to do these moves if you are prepared to do them, and when they come around, just try react to them with whatever foot you haven't used before.
If you want to practice stamina and footspeed needed for charts like MAX 300 , you can play Across The Nightmare like Quickman mentioned, or play V ~for EXTREME~ . Both of these will help you with 10-steps-per-second drills. You'll need to have quite a push before you can get comfortable with charts like MAX 300 but just believe in yourself, you'll get there eventually. While you're at it, you can try Xepher if you can clear with relative ease, the stepchart isn't too much more demanding.
EDIT: I'll briefly mention another thing I do before attempting a stepchart: I use StepMania's AutoPlay not only to look at the chart, but I also try stepping the chart using my hands as if they're my feet on pads. That way, you can kind of plan in advance how you'd want to do the steps on the pads when you actually play them, and can react to the arrows accordingly.
For one, exotic ethnic is an excellent chart for practicing crossovers since there are many streams with basic crossovers, and you can get through most of the chart without using the same foot twice on two different arrows. (The one section where I find you do need to use the same foot twice is between 1:09 and 1:13 in the video below).
RHYTHM AND POLICE is also an excellent chart in my opinion, and you can try just rotating your feet around without thinking too hard. It's much easier to do these moves if you are prepared to do them, and when they come around, just try react to them with whatever foot you haven't used before.
If you want to practice stamina and footspeed needed for charts like MAX 300 , you can play Across The Nightmare like Quickman mentioned, or play V ~for EXTREME~ . Both of these will help you with 10-steps-per-second drills. You'll need to have quite a push before you can get comfortable with charts like MAX 300 but just believe in yourself, you'll get there eventually. While you're at it, you can try Xepher if you can clear with relative ease, the stepchart isn't too much more demanding.
EDIT: I'll briefly mention another thing I do before attempting a stepchart: I use StepMania's AutoPlay not only to look at the chart, but I also try stepping the chart using my hands as if they're my feet on pads. That way, you can kind of plan in advance how you'd want to do the steps on the pads when you actually play them, and can react to the arrows accordingly.
Post #14 · Posted at 2015-08-29 12:29:05pm 8.6 years ago
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If you have StepMania, the home version of MAX/MAX2, or an arcade with EXTREME or MAX2, Spin the Disc is a great song to learn crossovers and spins with.
Post #15 · Posted at 2015-08-29 01:45:47pm 8.6 years ago
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Sunkiss Drop is also good practice for crossovers. It's a misrated 7 in SN2 and a 12 in X. It's faster than CSFILSM and slower than exotic ethnic.
As for 14s, tackle 13s first. Take note that a few stepcharts get merciless by 12. (i.e. Dead End)
As for 14s, tackle 13s first. Take note that a few stepcharts get merciless by 12. (i.e. Dead End)
Post #16 · Posted at 2015-08-29 03:39:10pm 8.6 years ago
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If you are playing these in stepmania, then practice those songs with slower rate mods (start at .7x or something, or go lower if absolutely necessary) so you can at least get the motion down. Once you understand pattern recognition, then start increasing the song rate in proportion to your speed and stamina.
Post #17 · Posted at 2015-08-29 08:53:09pm 8.6 years ago
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The original AM-3P uses a lot of crossovers, and is relatively slow. I maintain it's one of the most fun DDR charts ever, too.
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Post #18 · Posted at 2015-09-27 01:19:47pm 8.5 years ago
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If you are playing these in stepmania, then practice those songs with slower rate mods (start at .7x or something, or go lower if absolutely necessary) so you can at least get the motion down. Once you understand pattern recognition, then start increasing the song rate in proportion to your speed and stamina.
Or you can get good at the game by using higher speed mods on slower songs and getting used to reading fast. (Of course, reading slow speeds is important too, but only for the really hard songs like FAXX and Trigger.)