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Post #21 · Posted at 2012-11-04 08:26:47pm 11.4 years ago

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Doh, I accidentally uploaded Diamond Dogs' sm/ssc charts by mistake. I'll be fixing that ASAP.

Certain songs didn't have anything we could work into a background, namely Pony Swag and a small amount of others. In addition, most of the songs with videos don't have them, with the exception of the videos we added late in development.

Post #22 · Posted at 2012-11-05 03:46:35am 11.4 years ago

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There's only one major problem I've found with it so far.

You've got the Euro-Chaos mix of Discord listed as "Diamond Dogs (Euro-Dirt)" on the song select screen. I'm not about to mess with the pack itself to fix this, it just irks me.

Also, is there a reason that some songs end up with a black background instead of a splash art?
I just played that song on two different difficulties. The steps do not match it either. I think some files have gotten mixed up. That was what I came here to mention. It's not so good when the very first song you try doesn't work right.

Post #23 · Posted at 2012-11-05 07:50:23am 11.4 years ago

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Doh, I accidentally uploaded Diamond Dogs' sm/ssc charts by mistake. I'll be fixing that ASAP.

...and by ASAP, I mean today. Download the SSC from the simfile page.

Note for new to SM people: Download the SSC with Right Click - Save As then move that to the particular song folder. (i.e. SongsTrotmania (Rhythm is MagicDiscord (Euro-Chaos Mix).

Note to people who haven't gotten the game yet: This doesn't affect you. The pack has been updated with the change.

...and I managed to forget to add Beyond Her Garden Challenge and the correct ratings for Cloudsdale EVOLVED. It's now been added, and the same notes as above apply here.

Post #24 · Posted at 2012-11-05 12:25:28pm 11.4 years ago

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Looks great so far! I absolutely love the song choices and the theme looks amazing coming out of beta. It'll definitely get me to play Stepmania 5 more often. Wink

The only suggestions I have so far:

-Make an option to just download the theme instead of the entire "Game Package". For those of us that have Stepmania already, it'd just make it much more convenient. (Unless of course, the Game Package has something vital)

-Some of the difficulties for a lot of the songs are very inaccurate. For example, the 12 on Winter Wrap-Up should be at max a 7-8. (The 12 on Art of the Dress should also probably be 9-10, the 11 on Becoming Popular should be about 8±1, etc.). One of the qualities of a good stepchart is matching up the difficulty rating. People will come in with an expectation that a song will be X difficulty and it turns out to be X±1. It may be a good chart, but that's usually the first demerit a chart's going to swallow in the eyes of the player, especially if it's in the classic 7-8-9 range. Over-rated charts are generally forgiven because they don't screw the players that do them as badly as under-rated ones, but it's still a quality every chart-maker should avoid.

-The song "Love is in Bloom" (The Aviators one) is a bit off in timing at the beginning. Also, it has what's known as an "Odd Rhythm Flow". Usually, stepcharts aren't supposed to move back and forth between following the vocals to the melody and back to the vocals. People who know the song will want to follow the melody (vice versa vocals), but when the notes start switching back and forth every number of measures, it's pretty confusing.

I haven't checked many other songs yet, but it only seems to be a few with these minor "problems".
Sorry to be a stepchart critic here, I realize that the song pack was a collaboration feat and that you aren't accountable for all the songs here. Y'all did a fantastic job and I think they're all still great songs, it just has that awkward mix-matched feel and I'm trying to give some pointers.

I also realize that this just came out, so I'm just giving some friendly advice because hey, there's always room for improvement. Wink
Let you know if I stumble across anything else! I'm excited to see how this grows! Happy
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Post #25 · Posted at 2012-11-05 06:54:51pm 11.3 years ago

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Lemme answer these one by one:

-The theme is up for download. Just check Lirodon's thread in the Simulation forum category. You do miss out on two things, though: the new end crowd cheer (from SN/X) and the preferred sort.

-It appears that you have not heard of the X scale. Here's some examples of how the old scale converts:

9 = easy 7
10 = 7
11 = 8
12 = hard 8
13 = 9
14 = near-boss 9
15+ = Varying difficulties of 10

-I wrote that chart, and I have a sort of law when writing charts: the law of blanks. If I'm following a particular part of the song, but there's a sizable section where you do nothing, I switch focus for that section. It makes for a better chart, in my opinion, but I can see why some don't like it.

Post #26 · Posted at 2012-11-06 12:12:48am 11.3 years ago

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This is an amazing mod, and looks better than most games do in version 1.00, but I have a few questions.

First of all, when ever I play a song, the region of the screen the arrows appear on is simply a black bar. This is quite annoying for music videos, where half the screen is blocked out. I noticed it was transparent in your screenshots, so it must be my fault. Do you know what I might have done wrong to cause this?

Secondly, are the black backgrounds temporary? I noticed at least one song had a solid black background, and hope this is just temporary, as it looks quite boring.

Lastly, are you taking song recommendations?Wink

That's all I can think of, so I'll get back to playing Trotmania now.Big Grin

Post #27 · Posted at 2012-11-06 02:34:53am 11.3 years ago

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Post #28 · Posted at 2012-11-06 02:37:31am 11.3 years ago

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Ok I'm not a brony, but I took a look at this pack in the simfile category.

WARNING: Opinions hide your kids, hide your wife

This would be be better if it didn't have as many "non-brony" songs as it does:

AFRONOVA PRIMEVAL (Equinova Edit)
Doctor Who
Dual Love
I'm Going Slightly Mad
KID R
Make a New Dance Up
Miracle Moon(L.E.D.LIGHT STYLE MIX)
Smile Like You Mean It
Starry Eyed (Jakwob Remix)
Sweet Rain
The Big Angry White Horse
Yellow
yellow head joe

Sure, someone made a "PMV" or whatever it's called or it makes you think of a character, ok. But it's not like "brony music". If I was a brony I wouldn't want all that filler. It doesn't make sense to me. If you're trying to make a themed pack, why don't you just stick to the theme? Kind of like saying I'm going to make a EDM pack, but i'll include bag by RevenG.

This also feels like it's DDR Addict trying to promote his files in this, but full of ponyness.
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Post #29 · Posted at 2012-11-06 02:44:21am 11.3 years ago

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Honestly the only reason those files were included is that the rest is completely eurobeat.

Real talk.
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Post #30 · Posted at 2012-11-06 03:05:59am 11.3 years ago

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Quote: DDR Addict
Lemme answer these one by one:

-The theme is up for download. Just check Lirodon's thread in the Simulation forum category. You do miss out on two things, though: the new end crowd cheer (from SN/X) and the preferred sort.

-It appears that you have not heard of the X scale. Here's some examples of how the old scale converts:

9 = easy 7
10 = 7
11 = 8
12 = hard 8
13 = 9
14 = near-boss 9
15+ = Varying difficulties of 10

-I wrote that chart, and I have a sort of law when writing charts: the law of blanks. If I'm following a particular part of the song, but there's a sizable section where you do nothing, I switch focus for that section. It makes for a better chart, in my opinion, but I can see why some don't like it.

Thanks so much for clarifying!

The X Scale is indeed new to me, I'll have to try and get it memorized in my head. It is just a bit awkward having this pack in the X scale while my other songs are on the traditional scale, but I understand that this was intended to be a bundle with the theme's "Game Package" so it's your call. Cool

Ah, that's a respectable law, just know it will make it a bit harder for everyone to follow the stepchart unless the transition is a lot less subtle.

Also, my opinion on the "non-Brony" songs is that they should stay, ONLY if they're provided with a pony look. I know they're meant to represent specific ponies, so some quality backgrounds and cover art will make 'em blend in just fine. A fair comparison would be Renard's Mungyodance mixes. The songs are just your average run-of-the-mill songs, but he made them all go with the theme he was aiming for (Furries).

Quote: Chewi☆
Make a New Dance Up

Technically this is Brony-related. The band Hey Ocean is one of the Voice Actress' bands and has been quite a big hit among the Fanbase. Just saying. Wink

Hope to see this project grow even greater!
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Post #31 · Posted at 2012-11-06 03:09:19am 11.3 years ago

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The X Scale is indeed new to me, I'll have to try and get it memorized in my head.

Rule of thumb: old scale x 1.5, round up or down as necessary. For old scale 10 it's not accurate since all those charts in the 15~20 range gets compressed to one rating.
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Post #32 · Posted at 2012-11-06 05:41:17am 11.3 years ago

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The Big Angry White Horse

Well, That could possibly be referencing to ponies, because the word "horse"
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Post #33 · Posted at 2012-11-06 05:46:10am 11.3 years ago

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Post #34 · Posted at 2012-11-06 05:53:49am 11.3 years ago

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Quote: Balto100
Also, my opinion on the "non-Brony" songs is that they should stay, ONLY if they're provided with a pony look. I know they're meant to represent specific ponies, so some quality backgrounds and cover art will make 'em blend in just fine. A fair comparison would be Renard's Mungyodance mixes. The songs are just your average run-of-the-mill songs, but he made them all go with the theme he was aiming for (Furries).
I don't believe that giving things a "pony look" should count them as ok. "Quality backgrounds and cover art" good luck with that, what I've seen in this pack is kind of bad. I don't recall Mungyodance's "theme" being furries, it just happened to be that the creator was a giant furry.

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Quote: Chewi☆
Make a New Dance Up

Technically this is Brony-related. The band Hey Ocean is one of the Voice Actress' bands and has been quite a big hit among the Fanbase. Just saying. Wink
I'm not a brony, so sorry for not knowing that.

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Honestly the only reason those files were included is that the rest is completely eurobeat.
I kind of feel this way as well, why do you need Konami original songs so much Eurobeat?

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Well, That could possibly be referencing to ponies, because the word "horse"
That's a very loose connection to bronies... just saying.
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Post #35 · Posted at 2012-11-06 06:01:10am 11.3 years ago

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I'm trying to ensure that TrotMania 2 is actually 99% actual MLP-related music. The only crossover if any may be FLOWER, but that's only because there's a MAD of it mashed up with Fluttershy (appropriately titled FLUTTER)

Post #36 · Posted at 2012-11-06 06:05:48am 11.3 years ago

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I guess i'll toss in my opinion, but from more of a perspective of someone that follows the show.

I thought you guys did well, the song choices were unique, some of which I had never heard before, which was a good way of catching up on some music from the fandom. The songs from the show were great choices, and some remixes were fun to listen to. Shoutout to xRGTMx for Cloudsdale EVOLVED, which may be one of my new favorite stepmania songs ever.

Overall, I do agree that there may have been too much eurobeat, and some of the non-pony songs don't match too well with the theme of the pack, but it's still pretty solid. I think the artwork is good, Its got ponies in it for most of them and that's what matters, they don't have to be perfect.

As far as the theme goes, excellent job. I don't have a lot to say about it, it works like it should and adds a bit of pony flair.
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Post #37 · Posted at 2012-11-06 06:08:40am 11.3 years ago

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If you're trying to make a themed pack, why don't you just stick to the theme?
Guitar Hero Metallica wasn't full of Metallica
DDR Winx Club (lol) has only 7 songs relevant to the theme.
I mean, there's no rule about that.
And, as a brony, I can tell you the choice of these songs make some kind of sense. Happy

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Honestly the only reason those files were included is that the rest is completely eurobeat.
Sweetrain is not Eurobeat at all Laughing Out Loud

And Eurobeat is awesome. (that's probably why I love IIDX RED so much)


Post #38 · Posted at 2012-11-06 06:19:45am 11.3 years ago

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There were a multitude of reasons for the non-pony songs

1. To draw non-bronies in

...which obviously didn't work. If CHRYSTALIZE is coming out as a package, the worst offender, I'm Going Slightly Mad, is out, along with Miracle Moon (which I made a loose connection to with the Mare in the Moon in the jacket). Sweet Rain was due to desperation on what use as a Sweetie Belle boss song, and yellow head joe was Dream's idea. #tossunderbus

2. There were PMVs and I felt like stepping the song

Smile Like You Mean It and Starry Eyed were pretty major PMV videos, so that gives them even more credit. Yellow is also from a well respected PMV artist. Again, the first to go is AFRONOVA PRIMEVAL, primarily due to the fact that the video has been privatized on YouTube for whatever reason.

3. There is some sort of connection

As said, Make a New Dance Up is from Hey Ocean, which has Ashleigh Ball from MLP as the lead. Doctor Who was picked for two reasons: It was made by Jakazid (One of the most hyped X2 artists, iirc) and there are quite a few ties to the Dr. Who and MLP fandoms. Dual Love gives off Cadance/Shining Armor vibes with its duet lyrical content, and fits the overall theme of the game well. I guess The Big Angry White Horse might go, more because it only has a new Challenge and has the loosest connection.

Post #39 · Posted at 2012-11-06 11:38:07am 11.3 years ago

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Quote: Chewi☆
I don't believe that giving things a "pony look" should count them as ok. "Quality backgrounds and cover art" good luck with that, what I've seen in this pack is kind of bad. I don't recall Mungyodance's "theme" being furries, it just happened to be that the creator was a giant furry.

This thread is for finding ways to improve the pack and the theme. If you think it's bad and aren't a Brony, it's great that you're giving your critique, but the negativity kind of hurts.

And what I meant was that most of the backgrounds and banners contained anthropomorphic characters deemed Furry, that he was making it quite obvious what he was going for. Sorry for the confusion.

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I'm not a brony, so sorry for not knowing that.

Okay, you're not a Bony, I respect that, but Bronies enjoy regular music as well. And as weird as it sounds, as long as the "theme" added to the song fits the song and its lyrics, it gives the song another meaning. It's hard to explain. It's like hearing your favorite song in a movie; your imagination bridges the two and the song has that double meaning to you. Seeing ponies accurately related to the "non-Brony" songs not only introduces us to new songs, but makes them fun to play and listen to. Wink
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Post #40 · Posted at 2012-11-06 12:06:42pm 11.3 years ago

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I guess in that regard it's the same as licenses in DDR, or something. I don't know, it's too hot to form a logical reason, but I guess you get what I mean. General theme is ponies, links may be tenuous, primarily oriented towards music that pony fans will enjoy, but not necessarily being directly from ponies.
If you wanted to be really pedantic about it you could say pony music from the show only, but then you'd be limited to a very small songlist.
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