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Post #81 · Posted at 2009-08-30 03:34:11pm 14.5 years ago

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Ok so I'm obviously talking about DDR, you're talking about the entire scope of 4 button rhythm games (ITG, Stepmania, Pump, etc). As far as 4 directional arrows, Konami's the only big player in my book any more. Everyone else is just amateur. Why? Konami made it popular amongst everyone. Roxor made it popular amongst people who want IIDX for their feet.

Anyways, freezes can also be used to make a song look funner. For people who actually like to look good playing (and no, bar raping doesn't look better than someone actually doing cross overs on PSMO) freezes can force you to turn your body in certain ways. Look at Cutie Chaser morning mix, Silent Hill (3rd Christmas mix), or a lot of the slower songs. If you take a song at 200 bpm that's all 8ths and 16ths freezes won't matter, but some people actually like to play something below 9. At any rate, a freeze adds more DP to your score, so something like The Shining Polaris, you can get many more greats because the OKs will make up the difference in DP. So freezes may not always make a song harder, but they do make a song easier to get an AA (or harder if you take something like Kiss Kiss Kiss).

lets start from the top and work our way down...

he said freezes mask notes, so he is clearly just talking about DDR and not the "entire scope of 4 button rhythm games". freezes dont mask the note in ITG, and every note is masked in pump(only pointing it out since you listed it). DJMAX 4 button mode is masked too(as is the entire game) in the same way pump is.

pump isnt 4 button

its not who makes it popular, its who does it better. rock band is doing it much better than guitar hero recently, and arent having to give away free copies of their upcoming games to get people to buy the next one(pre-order GH5 get GHVH for free). konami making it popular doesnt make everyone else amateurs, pump has some very fine charts and ITG would still be around if konami didnt shut that project down.

NOTHING you do makes you look cool playing dancing games, including freestyling(if you want to dance, get your ass off the machine and get to a club).

you can crossover PSMO with a bar, despite what your rambling says

nothing about freezes forces your body to turn. you can let them go early to hit the next one, you can bracket(like hands in ITG) to the next one, you can switch feet, etc. l2freeze, if you think silent hill oni forces you to do anything then you dont know how to play DDR, and yes i do know about the half turn.

playing easier songs has no bearing on this, you just dont know how to manipulate freezes. i mostly play 7s and 8s, and i rarely find myself forced to crossover or turn for freezes, but i know how to play DDR so i guess that helps.

making songs easier to AA by placing useless freezes is BAD. no one wants to watch someone attempt an extra stage after they AAed shining polaris with 56 greats.

KISSKISSKISS doesnt become any harder to AA, learn to manipulate the freezes.

did i miss anything, guys?
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Post #82 · Posted at 2009-08-30 05:03:57pm 14.5 years ago

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did i miss anything, guys?

You forgot to mention that the timing window on the end of freeze arrows is so large, that you can safely move your foot off the arrow much sooner than you could if there was an actual note there.

I'm pretty sure "masking notes" is sort of a stretch. I can't think of any songs which have freeze arrows on anything but 1/4, 1/8 or the very end of a stream?

Post #83 · Posted at 2009-08-30 05:13:38pm 14.5 years ago

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You forgot to mention that the timing window on the end of freeze arrows is so large, that you can safely move your foot off the arrow much sooner than you could if there was an actual note there.

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nothing about freezes forces your body to turn. you can let them go early to hit the next one

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Post #84 · Posted at 2009-08-30 07:17:16pm 14.5 years ago

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Yeah I botched up that last post badly.

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its not who makes it popular, its who does it better. rock band is doing it much better than guitar hero recently, and arent having to give away free copies of their upcoming games to get people to buy the next one(pre-order GH5 get GHVH for free). konami making it popular doesnt make everyone else amateurs, pump has some very fine charts and ITG would still be around if konami didnt shut that project down.

But the thing is, Konami is doing it better. This is not me saying it, it's the thousands of other DDR players who are not elitists who only care about when the next 400 BPM 10 footer is coming out. No matter how much crap Konami seems to churn out, we keep making them successful. If Konami were running DDR that bad into the ground, we would have seen the decline sooner. Seeing people rant on forums and seeing a group of people around a DDR machine every Saturday at the moment speaks two totally different messages. Konami isn't doing anything different today with DDR than they've done for the past 10 years. Roxor had the potential but they lacked the means to make ITG as popular. Yes it would still be around if Konami hadn't shut them down, but don't think it would be as popular outside the current niche of players.

http://ps2.ign.com/articles/624/624853p1.html

Taking them as non-hardcore rhythm game players, these are the kind of people that Konami is after. They KNOW you're going to buy/play DDR. They want to attract those teetering on the edge of playing/note playing. We have got to remember, we're not the only ones playing DDR.

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NOTHING you do makes you look cool playing dancing games, including freestyling(if you want to dance, get your ass off the machine and get to a club).

First, I never said it made you look cool. Second, what you consider "cool" and what someone else considers "cool" is obviously opinionated. I've seen people watch someone bar rape Max 300 and they'd go "WHOA THAT'S COOL!". It's not cool to us because we're a bunch of elitist ass holes, but to the one just starting out playing DDR, it's quite a physical feat and they're impressed.

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you can crossover PSMO with a bar, despite what your rambling says

You can, most don't.

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nothing about freezes forces your body to turn. you can let them go early to hit the next one, you can bracket(like hands in ITG) to the next one, you can switch feet, etc. l2freeze, if you think silent hill oni forces you to do anything then you dont know how to play DDR, and yes i do know about the half turn.

The hell that "nothing" about freezes forces you to turn. I'll be damned if it's not easier to just go with the direction a freeze is leading you rather than fighting against it. If freezes were THAT negligible, they wouldn't be any in rhythm game. Once again, watch someone starting out on DDR and tell me freezes don't force you to do anything.

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playing easier songs has no bearing on this, you just dont know how to manipulate freezes. i mostly play 7s and 8s, and i rarely find myself forced to crossover or turn for freezes, but i know how to play DDR so i guess that helps.

Watching two people play exotic ethnic, if one double steps the entire time and another actually does the cross overs, who would you say knows how to play DDR better?

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making songs easier to AA by placing useless freezes is BAD. no one wants to watch someone attempt an extra stage after they AAed shining polaris with 56 greats.

I do. I encourage players to AA stuff. No matter how easy it is.

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KISSKISSKISS doesnt become any harder to AA, learn to manipulate the freezes.

I know you're full of it now. There is no denying that Kiss Kiss Kiss is harder to AA because of it's freezes. That's like saying exotic ethnic is a freaking cake walk because it's nothing but freezes. Bullshit on that.

Post #85 · Posted at 2009-08-30 11:06:19pm 14.5 years ago

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Other games exist and are liked by people.
No they don't exist, those aren't games. Konami is perfect.
So tell me. Why can you find ITG machines all across the country? Sure, they're not as dense as DDR machines, but DDR machines had several years on the market to establish themselves. If a game is only popular with a niche, wouldn't it only spread a little, if at all? Seems to me that it'd be just as ubiquitous as SN1 if it hadn't been shot down.
btw, here's something I bet you didn't know. ITG has other difficulties besides Challenge. Actually, they have Beginner, Light, Standard, and Heavy too. I think you need to go back to playing on Beginner so you don't get too stressed and fail the song.
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http://ps2.ign.com/articles/655/655271p1.html

Oh dear, what are those scores on the DDR games? Looks like Konami hasn't scored as well as ITG did since Extreme 2. Oh my, what's that score on DDR X? Is this real?

PS: I know many players, of all skill levels, that find it easier to play isn't "a party going on" to distract them. Why should distractions put there in the game be regarded any differently from the crowd of people shouting and yelling around the air hockey table?
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NOTHING you do makes you look cool playing dancing games, including freestyling(if you want to dance, get your ass off the machine and get to a club).
First, I never said it made you look cool.
I'll give you that you said funner, not cool. Fun is entirely subjective, and follows no rhyme or reason.
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you can crossover PSMO with a bar, despite what your rambling says
You can, most don't.
I've seen more people crossover on it than not. Say hello to the small sample size effect.
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nothing about freezes forces your body to turn. you can let them go early to hit the next one, you can bracket(like hands in ITG) to the next one, you can switch feet, etc. l2freeze, if you think silent hill oni forces you to do anything then you dont know how to play DDR, and yes i do know about the half turn.
The hell that "nothing" about freezes forces you to turn. I'll be damned if it's not easier to just go with the direction a freeze is leading you rather than fighting against it. If freezes were THAT negligible, they wouldn't be any in rhythm game. Once again, watch someone starting out on DDR and tell me freezes don't force you to do anything.
When did we start talking about people starting out on DDR with regard to freezes? Up to now, the freezes discussion has been about expert players. Learn to foot swap hop properly, or even improperly, since it's a freeze, and you can find KKK much easier. Same goes for Oasis Challenge in ITG. When you can foot swap hop smoothly, you can do Oasis Challenge as a hard 9. Otherwise, it's a hard 10. If your goal is to face the screen while playing. If it's your goal to not face the screen while playing, or you prefer to play as if the screen is completely unimportant, then man up. Quit leaning on that crutch of seeing the arrows and just stealth everything.
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playing easier songs has no bearing on this, you just dont know how to manipulate freezes. i mostly play 7s and 8s, and i rarely find myself forced to crossover or turn for freezes, but i know how to play DDR so i guess that helps.
Watching two people play exotic ethnic, if one double steps the entire time and another actually does the cross overs, who would you say knows how to play DDR better?
The one who gets the better score knows how to play better. They're both styles that can work out well on that song, it's been AAA'ed both ways. Therefore, the one who scores better is executing their technique better. Thus, they are the better player.
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making songs easier to AA by placing useless freezes is BAD. no one wants to watch someone attempt an extra stage after they AAed shining polaris with 56 greats.
I do. I encourage players to AA stuff. No matter how easy it is.
I too find it fun to explain to the noob I'm playing with what extra stage means. Then I pick Cutie Chaser, or whatever they want, and say, "Don't give up, keep trying." every time I notice that they've frozen and stopped hitting arrows.
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KISSKISSKISS doesnt become any harder to AA, learn to manipulate the freezes.
I know you're full of it now. There is no denying that Kiss Kiss Kiss is harder to AA because of it's freezes. That's like saying exotic ethnic is a freaking cake walk because it's nothing but freezes. Bullshit on that.
Just like I did, you're disregarding the technique he said to take into account. Once you use the proper technique, you can find KKK much easier to AA, probably easier to AA than anything that has more gallops than it does. Foot swap hop. Learn it.
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Post #86 · Posted at 2009-08-31 12:46:01am 14.5 years ago

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its not who makes it popular, its who does it better. rock band is doing it much better than guitar hero recently, and arent having to give away free copies of their upcoming games to get people to buy the next one(pre-order GH5 get GHVH for free). konami making it popular doesnt make everyone else amateurs, pump has some very fine charts and ITG would still be around if konami didnt shut that project down.

But the thing is, Konami is doing it better. This is not me saying it, it's the thousands of other DDR players who are not elitists who only care about when the next 400 BPM 10 footer is coming out. No matter how much crap Konami seems to churn out, we keep making them successful. If Konami were running DDR that bad into the ground, we would have seen the decline sooner. Seeing people rant on forums and seeing a group of people around a DDR machine every Saturday at the moment speaks two totally different messages. Konami isn't doing anything different today with DDR than they've done for the past 10 years. Roxor had the potential but they lacked the means to make ITG as popular. Yes it would still be around if Konami hadn't shut them down, but don't think it would be as popular outside the current niche of players.

http://ps2.ign.com/articles/624/624853p1.html

Taking them as non-hardcore rhythm game players, these are the kind of people that Konami is after. They KNOW you're going to buy/play DDR. They want to attract those teetering on the edge of playing/note playing. We have got to remember, we're not the only ones playing DDR.

Kyzentun covered most of it, so i'll pick up the rest. no point repeating things.

if you knew ANYTHING about what the hardcore crowd wants, its 100-200 BPM 10s with no BS tempo changes or stops, like ITG. we're not sitting around waiting on the next 400 BPM 10, matter of fact i want to shoot konami for continuing to do it(okay, headshot was cool, i'll give you that, but trigger is garbage and once you learn it its not even that hard). konami made it popular, but as far as what players want roxor and andamiro are NAILING it.

sure, konami put things on the right path with songs like TMP and horatio but paranoia hades didnt need to be 300/150 BPM in SN2. i can turn x2 on myself, thanks, and some dont prefer it. 150/75 would have been perfect, and given it a cool 64th note slow down like euphoria, but one that actually followed an audible beat in the music rather than one you need headphones to find. on top of that, the people who prefer DDR arent the ones who know what step chart quality is. SN was crap with a handful of gems i was glad to see carry foreword. SN2, i'll admit, minus the 10 foot charts, was fricking amazing. X on the other hand is back to SN status. it has a hand full that i really enjoy(playa, horatio, headshot.... and i just sat here for a full minute and couldnt think of another one), but the rest just arent as good as even back in the extreme days. sure these games have a lot of great SONGS, but the charts matter. a lot.

go look up the sales. konami has been on a VERY steady decline since extreme 2. its not me saying it, its sales records. you cant fucking argue with facts and proof like that. its like trying to argue gravity doesnt exist. "eventually, i can drop this bowling ball and it will go up". no. contrary to what you're saying, we saw the decline with SN1, it kept going to effect SN2, X, HP, HP2, HP3, UM3, UM4, UNI, UNI2, and UNI3.

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NOTHING you do makes you look cool playing dancing games, including freestyling(if you want to dance, get your ass off the machine and get to a club).

First, I never said it made you look cool. Second, what you consider "cool" and what someone else considers "cool" is obviously opinionated. I've seen people watch someone bar rape Max 300 and they'd go "WHOA THAT'S COOL!". It's not cool to us because we're a bunch of elitist ass holes, but to the one just starting out playing DDR, it's quite a physical feat and they're impressed.

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For people who actually like to look good playing (and no, bar raping doesn't look better than someone actually doing cross overs on PSMO) freezes can force you to turn your body in certain ways.

now dont tell me you didnt fucking say that. NOTHING MAKES YOU LOOK GOOD PLAYING DDR. no matter what you do, you're some moron flailing your feet to notes. similarly, playing GH or RB doesnt make you look cool. playing keyboard mania makes you look like a fucking bad ass though.

as for being an elitist, thats not why i dont think max300 with a bar looks cool. first of all, you look like an idiot leaning on that damn thing(i dont give a shit, i get better scores, might as well ask me to stand up and hold a GH controller without the fucking strap and tell me i cant use select activations if you tell me not to use the bar), but you do look like less of an idiot than the guy flailing around trying to hit notes. remember when dj stunna AAAed max300 no bar like 6 years ago? sure it was impressive, but find the vid. he looks fucking stupid doing it. the scores and passing of certain songs is impressive, but they still look stupid doing it. i've had some of my friends tell me "thats freaking nuts dude, and props cuz i could never make myself look that retarded in public". they're impressed with the physical feat of passing something like determinator doubles, but they still think you look like an idiot playing, but understand if you're going to play then its unavoidable.

its just how it is. my brother is a x3 bar player. nothing wrong with it. he AAAed holic at the arcade the other night and while he was doing it he didnt look like any kind of bad ass. he certainly looks like a bad ass in the pic with a holic AAA behind him though. the score is impressive, the moving around looks retarded.
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Post #87 · Posted at 2009-08-31 01:09:14am 14.5 years ago

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Oh yeah, on the topic of "people who are interested in the next 400 bpm 10": Those people are the DDR supporters. I see more positive response to PR, Trigger, FELM, FAXX, and other trash charts here than I do on r21freak. So, uh, better rethink the line of thought that only ITG players like 400 bpm 10s.
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Post #88 · Posted at 2009-08-31 01:36:28am 14.5 years ago

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a bunch of whining

One thing I notice is that there's two different kinds of players. There's people like me (I won't go out on a limb and say who else plays like me, I know a lot but they play here locally) then there's players like n00b and Kyzentun. I haven't pulled the "I'm a better player" card, but noticing the scores between Kyz and n00b, I have better scores for the most part. I also play nonstop challenge courses, I play doubles and I do turns and spins. I play all aspects of DDR. I also played ITG2, and I enjoy DDR so much more. Those who enjoy ITG more do not play like I do. Those who enjoy DDR more play more like I do. It's two different groups of players in my opinion. I'm tired of people saying that people need to learn how to use one technique over another to get better scores.

As for looking good. Like I said, I'm judging the reactions of other people. Before I played DDR, when I saw someone do Spin the Disc's turn, I thought they looked really cool doing it. It's not real dancing, but just because it's not real dancing doesn't mean it can't be cool. I've not met a single person who's watched me play DDR for the first time not go "wow that's impressive, that's so cool!". I don't care about looking cool, I think I look the same as anyone else. I'm just saying realize that there's a whole world of people outside of these forums that play DDR and they have an opinion also.

And I'll admit, some people make playing DDR look a hell off a lot better than others. silenttype01 plays doubles better than most people I've seen. A guy who taught me how to play DDR could make Trip Machine luv mix look cooler than anyone I've ever seen. So, yes, I don't how gay you think you look playing DDR/ITG, it is possible to make it look good. It's not like real dancing nor will I ever claim that it is, but get off your high horse and note that not everyone looks like they're going into convulsions or flailing about when they play.

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Oh yeah, on the topic of "people who are interested in the next 400 bpm 10": Those people are the DDR supporters. I see more positive response to PR, Trigger, FELM, FAXX, and other trash charts here than I do on r21freak. So, uh, better rethink the line of thought that only ITG players like 400 bpm 10s.

You and I play a different group of people. I get more positive response out of stuff like Why Not, Bloody Tears, Trust, and Captivate Chikai than I do most of the 10s.

Post #89 · Posted at 2009-08-31 01:45:50am 14.5 years ago

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the positive response we see here to PR, PH, FELM, FAXX, trigger, etc is attributed to how many newbs frequent the site. nothing wrong with being a newb, but i think we all remember when era was the coolest song ever because it had a slow down in the middle. a good way to draw a crowd is with songs with speed ups, slow downs, stops, etc.

once you hit a certain point and realize they are 100% arbitrary to a songs difficulty past the first time playing it, you just want konami to knock this shit off and give you notes at a steady BPM with tempo changes where warranted(again, era). also, when you've been around a while, the novelty wears off, and you feel the same way. "notes damnit, less tempo changes". r21freak is an ITG related site, and like i said, ITG nailed it with the 150 BPM 10 method. its what hardcore players want. no BS tempo changes that dont even look cool, just notes to hit.

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a bunch of whining

One thing I notice is that there's two different kinds of players. There's people like me (I won't go out on a limb and say who else plays like me, I know a lot but they play here locally) then there's players like n00b and Kyzentun. I haven't pulled the "I'm a better player" card, but noticing the scores between Kyz and n00b, I have better scores for the most part. I also play nonstop challenge courses, I play doubles and I do turns and spins. I play all aspects of DDR. I also played ITG2, and I enjoy DDR so much more. Those who enjoy ITG more do not play like I do. Those who enjoy DDR more play more like I do. It's two different groups of players in my opinion. I'm tired of people saying that people need to learn how to use one technique over another to get better scores.

lol. better player? oni courses? doubles? put up or shut up fucker. i'm nothing amazing but i FC oni courses, break 96% on ITG 10s on doubles, have a few passes on determinator doubles, and AAA songs like afronova on CS. i dont think you really know much about my scores, that or you're dumb. not many people will look at an afronova AAA on extreme and say "my score is better".

you're better than me, FC trip 5 and 2mb. i've done it, you go do it.

but scores werent the point. the point is that everything in that post earlier was wrong, and everything in the post after that about DDR being as popular as it was when extreme 2 came out, which sales show is false.

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As for looking good. Like I said, I'm judging the reactions of other people. Before I played DDR, when I saw someone do Spin the Disc's turn, I thought they looked really cool doing it. It's not real dancing, but just because it's not real dancing doesn't mean it can't be cool. I've not met a single person who's watched me play DDR for the first time not go "wow that's impressive, that's so cool!". I don't care about looking cool, I think I look the same as anyone else. I'm just saying realize that there's a whole world of people outside of these forums that play DDR and they have an opinion also.

newb factor i mentioned earlier. people think things they cant do are cool, hence the support for PRO as a chart and doing spins. i can spin. i spin when i play KCET in paranoia bros and 2mb. doesnt mean it looks cool. it just means i'm turning away from the screen when i roflstomp the pads.

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And I'll admit, some people make playing DDR look a hell off a lot better than others. silenttype01 plays doubles better than most people I've seen. A guy who taught me how to play DDR could make Trip Machine luv mix look cooler than anyone I've ever seen. So, yes, I don't how gay you think you look playing DDR/ITG, it is possible to make it look good. It's not like real dancing nor will I ever claim that it is, but get off your high horse and note that not everyone looks like they're going into convulsions or flailing about when they play..

at a certain level, it can be made to look better, and with techniques like out stepping you can make luv mix look smooth but IMO never cool. once you hit the level of about cartoon heroes, looking cool is a pipe dream.
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Post #90 · Posted at 2009-08-31 01:57:12am 14.5 years ago

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I haven't pulled the "I'm a better player" card, but noticing the scores between Kyz and n00b, I have better scores for the most part.
If you're looking at my singles scores, you should really consider that those are all scores where I played the song for the first time in over a year, with an injured foot. If you're going to compare scores, then do it on a song we've played a similar amount, like CSFILSM D-Heavy. Except, for some reason, you don't have many scores entered for doubles. Odd, that, since you're so proud of it.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again. I am confident that I could AA at least 2/3 of EX AC singles, just playing each song once. Scores so far bear this out, with 95.41% average. I expect it to end at ~93% average after I've played every song.
Out of 34 charts played, I picked up 9 SDGs, when not familiar with the songs. (sig says 7 because two of them had a random miss or good due to unfamiliarity). That's ~1/4.
Out of 470 charts you posted scores for, you have 44 SDGs. That's ~1/11.
Do come back when you have some meaningful data. Or meaningless data that supports your side.

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Oh yeah, on the topic of "people who are interested in the next 400 bpm 10": Those people are the DDR supporters. I see more positive response to PR, Trigger, FELM, FAXX, and other trash charts here than I do on r21freak. So, uh, better rethink the line of thought that only ITG players like 400 bpm 10s.
You and I play a different group of people. I get more positive response out of stuff like Why Not, Bloody Tears, Trust, and Captivate Chikai than I do most of the 10s.
I did not say "people I play with", I said, "people on THIS FORUM". Do read my posts before trying to rebut them.
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Post #91 · Posted at 2009-08-31 02:03:33am 14.5 years ago

Offline Bolt-Edge
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"No."
cry more, this thread sucked anyway
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Post #92 · Posted at 2009-08-31 02:04:37am 14.5 years ago

Offline roy2009xedit
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"jubeat knit one, purl two"
Quote: Daiz
Watching two people play exotic ethnic, if one double steps the entire time and another actually does the cross overs, who would you say knows how to play DDR better?
Your argument is right...in a sense, anyway. For somebody who has never encountered a crossover/spin pattern, they're first instinct is to stay facing the screen and doublestep. However, the types of people that do this are in the 4-6 foot range and are just starting to see some basic crossover patterns as they play those. Once you get into typical Heavy difficulty, players' dance styles have been fleshed out and they know how they can best step certain patterns. Like me although I haven't stepped foot on a pad for almost two years, not that my play style changed much once I started on Heavy, I find it easier to perform crossovers at certain BPMs than others. I'm well aware that it's possible to play many songs without doublestepping, but I either doublestep or crossover as necessary to help myself make it through the song. If you manage to perform the steps the manner that the step artist intended, it does indeed look a lot cooler, but if it's a detriment to your score, is it really worth the attempt? Some people will try it because it's cool, lag behind the steps, and start Good Attacking. Most of it comes down to unique play styles, so what you said isn't a catch-all.

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the people who prefer DDR arent the ones who know what step chart quality is. SN was crap with a handful of gems i was glad to see carry foreword. SN2, i'll admit, minus the 10 foot charts, was fricking amazing. X on the other hand is back to SN status.
I believe SN was a slight dip from Extreme 2 (which of course it was), SN2 was an even more drastic dip from SN, but X recovered some from SN2. SN had plenty of solid hard 8s and various 9s. SN2, though, resorted to basic patterns an awful lot; so much, in fact, that a crapload of the charts ended up being easier than what they intended. Particularly notable are the abundance of charts that were rated 8s, only to receive easy-to-mid 7 charts. 9s were also somewhat lacking. Even PRO, the hardest chart in DDR, has signs of this. A loaded stream at the end is complemented by several quarter note patterns. X didn't have such a serious problem, though. Everything that was rated 11 or higher was indeed at a solid level for the rating. In fact, overall, the tendency was to sneak in hard patterns in some of the easier songs, as opposed to the tendency to sneak in easy patterns from SN2. Hell, Put 'Em Up is harder than some of the SN2 "8s". This isn't just a matter of misratings as you might think, but rather a tendency that plagued some charts that had more potential.

Overall, I believe that Konami is losing touch by continually making the bulk of the charts 7s and 8s and using Challenge sparingly. Some solid hard charts from the 4th Plus-Max era combined with the abundant use of Challenge in STR!KE is optimal, IMO. Universe 3 followed this more or less, but unfortunately, Konami is using PS2/Hottest Party to guide the main series. *wants the ratings on Vol. 1 to beef up*

tl;dr No direct response to OT, just supplement to a few bullets. Use or ignore as desired.
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Post #93 · Posted at 2009-08-31 02:07:23am 14.5 years ago

Offline Arctic Wolves
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Sigh, didn't want to get involved but there is too much wrong here...

Quote: n00b_saib0t
we're not sitting around waiting on the next 400 BPM 10, matter of fact i want to shoot konami for continuing to do it(okay, headshot was cool, i'll give you that, but trigger is garbage and once you learn it its not even that hard). konami made it popular, but as far as what players want roxor and andamiro are NAILING it.

This is a demographic, and KONAMI can't alienate them either. The only reason you don't hear much complaining about a lack of these songs is because KONAMI does a great job satisfying the player desire for these songs. Japan's way more into them than the ITG crowd is. If KONAMI stopped making these songs, there'd be an uproar from a previously satisfied group. This is why we see Pluto, Pluto Relinquish, Fascination MAXX. and CHAOS still rank so highly in the top 30 in Japan, despite being old news by now. They haven't dropped off the top 30 since X came out.

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sure, konami put things on the right path with songs like TMP and horatio but paranoia hades didnt need to be 300/150 BPM in SN2. i can turn x2 on myself, thanks, and some dont prefer it. 150/75 would have been perfect, and given it a cool 64th note slow down like euphoria, but one that actually followed an audible beat in the music rather than one you need headphones to find.


PARANOiA ~HADES~ is 75-300 BPM, not 150-300 BPM. 64ths wouldn't fit in the song even in the 75 BPM part. I'm not sure what you're looking for out of this song. The 32nd part already doesn't follow anything, what would 64ths be following?

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on top of that, the people who prefer DDR arent the ones who know what step chart quality is.

Not only is this extremely elitist, it's extremely rude. Step quality is an opinion, you can't prove what is a "quality chart." I'm really surprised you'd make this kind of statement.

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go look up the sales. konami has been on a VERY steady decline since extreme 2. its not me saying it, its sales records. you cant fucking argue with facts and proof like that.

Now for a lesson in statistics. Correlation does not equal causation. Based on your logic, I can look at the MAX2 sales figures, notice they're much higher than EXTREME2's, and conclude it was a better game and the series has been in decline since MAX2. Now, if we do a weekly sales analysis, we can see that... it's really hard to tell. SuperNOVA reached 500,000 units sold before EXTREME2 did. It also reached 750,000 units sold before EXTREME2 did. X sold 75,000 units before either EXTREME2 or SuperNOVA2 did. But there are also other factors to consider: the decline of the PS2, the other games that may have divided sales (UNIVERSE and HOTTEST PARTY), economy, etc. Bottom line, you need to define what a "VERY steady decline" is, what factors to consider, and then provide evidence fitting your definition, because that's not what the sales figures saying right now.
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Post #94 · Posted at 2009-08-31 02:55:24am 14.5 years ago

Offline Bolt-Edge
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"No."
Quote: roy2009xedit
Even PRO, the hardest chart in DDR, has signs of this. A loaded stream at the end is complemented by several quarter note patterns.
You must be looking at a wrong chart then. I don't what else you would be able to add to a song like PRO besides double steps and jumps which would make the already hard chart retarded. There really isn't much you can do else with a song that's only strings, kicks, and piano

so what is the thread even about anymore?
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Post #95 · Posted at 2009-08-31 03:33:37am 14.5 years ago

Offline Aegis
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Had to get in after lolz went to OMG you guys need to shut up >_>

So we went from the stupid addition of the flashing 10's, to the egocentric fuckers...
Honestly, you all need to learn that there exists the words-fact & opinion.

Also, who cares how one looks like when "dancing" on the ddr cab.
Had fun? Stfu then.

Spinning just adds to the flavor.

Chart quality.
There is difficulty, not better or worse.
BPM changes and just BPMs.
How would you see Max 300 as a 150bpm song? Or Paranoia ~Hades~ with a 150bpm. It'll look weird.
As for other remarks about better scoring: do note the player who is the best is the one who ends off the best.
Who cares about the courses? PFC them. FC them. Get 96+ on them. Who tf cares. Won't make you look bad ass after you pass them. You'll just look like a troll on the fucking cab.

Back to the discussion of removing or adding the flashiness or gtfo.

Thank you,
Aegis.

Post #96 · Posted at 2009-08-31 04:00:33am 14.5 years ago

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Yeah flashing 10s suck. We need more flashing 9s.

Post #97 · Posted at 2009-08-31 04:03:35am 14.5 years ago

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All my charts are flashing 1s.
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Post #98 · Posted at 2009-08-31 04:09:22am 14.5 years ago

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Sigh, didn't want to get involved but there is too much wrong here...

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we're not sitting around waiting on the next 400 BPM 10, matter of fact i want to shoot konami for continuing to do it(okay, headshot was cool, i'll give you that, but trigger is garbage and once you learn it its not even that hard). konami made it popular, but as far as what players want roxor and andamiro are NAILING it.

This is a demographic, and KONAMI can't alienate them either. The only reason you don't hear much complaining about a lack of these songs is because KONAMI does a great job satisfying the player desire for these songs. Japan's way more into them than the ITG crowd is. If KONAMI stopped making these songs, there'd be an uproar from a previously satisfied group. This is why we see Pluto, Pluto Relinquish, Fascination MAXX. and CHAOS still rank so highly in the top 30 in Japan, despite being old news by now. They haven't dropped off the top 30 since X came out.

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sure, konami put things on the right path with songs like TMP and horatio but paranoia hades didnt need to be 300/150 BPM in SN2. i can turn x2 on myself, thanks, and some dont prefer it. 150/75 would have been perfect, and given it a cool 64th note slow down like euphoria, but one that actually followed an audible beat in the music rather than one you need headphones to find.


PARANOiA ~HADES~ is 75-300 BPM, not 150-300 BPM. 64ths wouldn't fit in the song even in the 75 BPM part. I'm not sure what you're looking for out of this song. The 32nd part already doesn't follow anything, what would 64ths be following?

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on top of that, the people who prefer DDR arent the ones who know what step chart quality is.

Not only is this extremely elitist, it's extremely rude. Step quality is an opinion, you can't prove what is a "quality chart." I'm really surprised you'd make this kind of statement.

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go look up the sales. konami has been on a VERY steady decline since extreme 2. its not me saying it, its sales records. you cant fucking argue with facts and proof like that.

Now for a lesson in statistics. Correlation does not equal causation. Based on your logic, I can look at the MAX2 sales figures, notice they're much higher than EXTREME2's, and conclude it was a better game and the series has been in decline since MAX2. Now, if we do a weekly sales analysis, we can see that... it's really hard to tell. SuperNOVA reached 500,000 units sold before EXTREME2 did. It also reached 750,000 units sold before EXTREME2 did. X sold 75,000 units before either EXTREME2 or SuperNOVA2 did. But there are also other factors to consider: the decline of the PS2, the other games that may have divided sales (UNIVERSE and HOTTEST PARTY), economy, etc. Bottom line, you need to define what a "VERY steady decline" is, what factors to consider, and then provide evidence fitting your definition, because that's not what the sales figures saying right now.

i'm too lazy to break down the quotes right now.

yes, its a demographic, and i would be fine with 1 per new game, but making all but 1 of your new boss songs that way just seems like they are trying to make songs harder than they are. like i said, i liked headshot, its near perfect IMO. then go to songs like PH and PR, which have good charts but IMO the tempo changes kill them(and yes, i do know the tempo changes). also, it seems like they are afraid of making 16th notes have crazy patterns. look at the crossovers in PSMO, PRO, PHO etc and compare them to horatio where you alternate feet on the same couple arrows. horatio could have had a fleadh uncut style chart, and IMO that would have been great. this is where use of challenge comes in. horatio challenge is just cut and paste of the expert chart with arrows removed and shock arrows thrown in, a new chart like the one i just mentioned would have been great use of challenge for that song.

as for PH's BPM, i guess i was wrong about it. i thought the slow down was 150, didnt realize it got so slow. basically, i thought that the main BPM(300) should have been cut in half, and the halved BPM in the slow down(what i thought was half, but wasnt) should have been slower with the notes at 64ths instead of 32nd, but stepping the same thing. i hope that made sense, it does to me but i'm the one who just wrote it.

as for the step charts, as others have said konami has a tendency to stick to very basic repetitive patterns lately, and its killing chart quality. it seems like quality charts are few and far between now, but back in extreme and earlier it was the other way around.

as for sales, having UM3 around didnt seem to hurt extreme 2, but i can agree in a sense that the economy and fall of the ps2 could be playing a role in it. there is also the fact that the xbox games have outshined the PS2 games for a while, UNI1 was much better than SN1 for example. there are a lot of variables, and its unfair of me to say konami is dropping the ball in general when there are good mixes being made on other systems, but the quality of PS2 games is noticeably worse than it was.
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Post #99 · Posted at 2009-08-31 04:09:35am 14.5 years ago

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...lol at the thread's new name XD

Post #100 · Posted at 2009-08-31 04:10:15am 14.5 years ago

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