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I know you can see what u give other ppl ratings, but can you see what ratings they gave to you?

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I can. Normal users can't, cos you can imagine the WHY DID YOU GIVE ME -5 threads that'll pop up lol.

Could it be possible to only show who gave you positive ratings? You get to see who enjoys your posts, and no -5 thread flamebaiting! It's win-win.

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Sounds like an idea, I'll do something tomorrow.

That still doesn't sound like a good idea. It should be kept anonymous because the users that we see could give change their rating, which can lead to useless flame threads.

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Well I dunno then. I kept it anonymous from the start so that flaming can't occur...

Yeah, I'm 50/50 on this.

So either:

1. Keep it anonymous.
2. Full disclosure, any arguments can be taken via PM instead of threads. Any thread arguing will be locked at sight. 8)

I hope you go with option 1.
Even if they attempt to take the argument through PMs, there are still the spammers that create multiple accounts to alter the points.

A suggestion would be to also exercise the user levels. The user point system could represent the amount of respect that person has with the other members and the user level can authenticate it.

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Quote: silenttype01
A suggestion would be to also exercise the user levels. The user point system could represent the amount of respect that person has with the other members and the user level can authenticate it.

Acmlm's board used a system where the user's number of posts (logarithmically, maybe?) gave each user a "level", and 10,000 posts was level 100. People could rate another user 1-10. Each user's rating was a fraction, and each vote would add to the numerator and the denominator. It would add your level times 10 to the denominator, then your level times the rating to the numerator. Each time a user leveled up, it would also update the ratings of users he rated.

If person A (level 13, around 50 or so posts) rated person B (currently 50/100 rating = 5/10), and A rated B an 8, it would be 10 times 13 added to B's denominator, and 8 times 13 added to the numerator. Person B is now 154/230 = 6.7/10 rating.

If a week later, person A is level 15, person B's rating would change to 6.8 to reflect person A's status.

Interesting concept they used, I thought I might throw that out there to spur ideas on user ratings.

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Hmmm that's interesting, I might look into that.

Though it creates an unfair advantage to people that contribute a lot but their quantity of posts aren't that high.

I got another idea... weight the ratings depending on that users' rating that rated you.

For example, if:

Person A (50) voted 5 for me
Person B (10) voted 2 for me
Person C (-10) voted -5 for me

The rating will be multiplied by a number depending on their current rating.
If their rating is positive, let's say the multiplying factor is their rating divided by 10. The higher that persons' rating, the higher the influence they will have on the rating.
If their rating is negative, let's say the multiplying factor is 0.1 divided by their negated rating. The lower their rating, the lower the influence they will have on other peoples' ratings.

My Rating:

= (50/10)*5 + (10/10)*2 + (0.1/10)*-5
= 5*5 + 1*2 + 0.01*-5
= 25 + 2 - 0.05
= 26.95

Person A, B, C gave me in effect the following ratings: 25, 2 and -0.05 respectively.

Just another idea lol.

That's a good idea, I know how you could solve the negative rating problem.

Let X be what person A rates person B, let Y be A's rating, and Z be B's rating.

[(1.025)^Y]*X+Z

This would allow ratings dependant on one's own rating to always be positive, if you put some arbitrary constant barely greater than 1 to the power of the rater's rating. 1.02 doesn't seem too significant, and 1.03 seems to be too strong, so at first glance, 1.025 should work. This would solve the problem of users with negative ratings giving the wrong points to someone.

Also, the servor should log and update each individual user's rating, because a ring of friends could all rate one person up to around 50+, who could powerfully rate several people. The person would be suspected eventually, and rated back down. All previous erroneous ratings would go down too.

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im confused now about this idea of ratings & stuff

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They're brainstorming a new concept for the point system so it doesn't go out of hand like it almost did. Nothing to worry about now until al2k4 makes a decision.

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Quote: Goldensunboy
That's a good idea, I know how you could solve the negative rating problem. Let X be what person A rates person B, let Y be A's rating, and Z be B's rating. [(1.025)^Y]*X+Z

OK let's see, I can't read formulas and then see what happens I need examples lol.

So let's say...

A rates B = X = 5 points
A's Rating = Y = 50 points
B's Rating = Z = -10 points

So, (1.025^50)x5 - 10 = 7.19

But what's the 7.19 though? The user's current rating?

Bump: I might end up using my method but with the following factors:

If their rating is zero, the multiplying factor is 1.
If their rating is positive, let's say the multiplying factor is their rating divided by 100. The higher that persons' rating, the higher the influence they will have on the rating.
If their rating is negative, let's say the multiplying factor is 0.75 divided by their negated rating. The lower their rating, the lower the influence they will have on other peoples' ratings.



Bump 2:

OK, updated the rating system to the one I described.

The old ratings are called the RAW RATINGS, which are just the sum of the ratings themselves and are used in the calculations for the new ratings.

You can see the raw rating by just hovering your mouse over the new ratings.

Interesting new rating system, users will have to get used to higher or lower rating now. Merely inflation, of course; my rating went up by 8 and yours up by 15, but they are still the same raw ratings.

You might want to add a line break after "donated", because it looks a bit awkward and confused me a little when I saw it today.

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This is a good enough method for me. You're going to be taking precautions to prevent spam accounts right?

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Well, if anyone notices a HUGE jump in someones' ratings, give me a shout and I'll just look into it.

Do we look at the raw rating or the new rating?

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Either, I'd think. I've checked mine and it appears fine.

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Quote: silenttype01
Do we look at the raw rating or the new rating?

Quote: al2k4
You can see the raw rating by just hovering your mouse over the new ratings.

I like this thing that he's done, because people who don't like the change still have the old method to look at.

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Sorry to be evil, but the last 10 posts have gone from the user profile bit.

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